RUSH: James in Columbus, Ohio. Glad you waited. You're next on the EIB Network. Hi.
CALLER: How you doing?
RUSH: Just fine, sir. Thanks very much.
CALLER: (talking over host) Good. This is following up on that little article you read about the -- I guess it was some professor that felt like Obama should not do the scorched-earth campaigns?
RUSH: Yeah --
CALLER: I'm saying, "Why not? Why shouldn't the guy fight back? The guy's been denigrated from day one. What's the problem? You don't want him to fight back?"
RUSH: Well, now, this professor -- see, this is a theory, James, that the Republicans have been told for decades. It's that the moderates, the independents don't like fights. They don't like confrontation, they don't like arguments, they want people working together and compromising and crossing the aisle. So the Republicans don't fight back. The Republicans sit there and suck on their thumbs and try to show everybody how nice they are, hoping to impress the moderates, but the same thing has never been said about Democrats. This is the first time that a political official has told a Democrat, "By the way, you're gonna scare the moderates off." This is not... He's worried about Obama going scorched earth, not just being critical, not "fighting back." He's worried that Obama is going to literally rip the country in two, and he thinks if he does that he's going to squander all of the --
CALLER: What's the difference with you?
RUSH: -- votes of the moderates and independents.
CALLER: What does that mean? "Scorched earth" and "fighting back," what's the difference?
RUSH: Well, the result is different.
RUSH: "Scorched earth" means, the country is perpetually divided; constantly the war with itself -- that nothing can ever get done afterthought -- that it's just everything's broken, broken down. Nobody trusts anybody. "Fighting back" is simply defending yourself against false allegations, and none of those are being made about Obama. Everything being said about him is true.
CALLER: Well, I don't agree with you there. Everything you're saying is not true but what I'm saying is the conditions that you just described has already gone on and has been going on since, uh, George Bush was in office basically: The country is divided, nobody trusts anyone, and nothing is getting done. That's not just started.
RUSH: Well, no, that isn't true. All kinds of stuff's getting done, and it's not good. Health care got done. Not good. Stimulus got done. Not good. Expanding the debt limit got done.
CALLER: Well, listen, I --
RUSH: Not good.
CALLER: -- have a son that didn't have health care until that, so to me that is good, because I couldn't afford to send him to the hospital.
CALLER: And my son was... Actually, he was down here in Columbus at "Red, White, and Boom," which is a fireworks display, and there's always some bad element down there. My son minding his own business, and he caught two in each of his legs. Now, he didn't do anything to deserve that, but I couldn't afford to... all that money they wanted, and they still want money, but, you know, he had insurance. Now, without that I would still be in debt. So to me that is a good thing. Maybe you don't have children or maybe you don't have to worry about it but some of us do have to worry about health care.
RUSH: No, no. Well, you're not gonna like this, James.
CALLER: Of course not!
RUSH: But the difference is that you are apparently perfectly fine with your neighbors and people you don't know paying your health care bill. I'm not.
CALLER: No, because I work. So I'm paying it. Nobody's paying anything for me, sir. I've been working ever since I was 17 years old --
RUSH: I beg to --
CALLER: -- and I served this country for nine years.
RUSH: -- disagree with you --
CALLER: But nobody's ever paid for anything for me. If anything I'm paying for them.
RUSH: With Obamacare you're going to be told you're not paying. Somebody else is gonna pay. You're not paying for it.
CALLER: But I'm gonna be paying either way 'cause those same people are gonna go to the emergency room. They can't be turned down. So I'd rather know I'm paying for it than not know. I mean, come on, it's just basic.
RUSH: No. Look, this is a serious thing. This is why it's not good. You are and a lot of Americans are just assuming that you have a medical emergency or any kind of health care, that we all ought to get together and pay for it. We all ought to cover it; somebody else ought to pay for it. This is what Obama is fostering, this is what he's promoting.
CALLER: No, that's not what I'm saying. How do you stop people from going to the emergency room if something happens to them? They're not allowed to be turned away, so what's to happen then? You gonna have somebody posted there and saying, "Hey, we can't do this."
RUSH: Well, who do you think ends up paying for that when the patient can't?
CALLER: That's gonna happen, so we're gonna pay for it either way. That's what we've been doing for all... Since I can remember.
RUSH: Well, actually, I have a little news flash for you. The fact of the matter is, you are ultimately gonna be paying far more for your health care than you do now because of Obamacare. You actually are, to be honest with you. You're gonna be shocked at what you're gonna be paying for health care and that you are gonna have to come up with and you are gonna be required to have insurance or you may go to jail. You're gonna be required to pay your copay, your deductible. If you can't, they're gonna be able to put you in jail.
CALLER: Well, I don't believe that for a minute.
RUSH: Well, it's in the law. It's one of the 2,000 pages.
CALLER: They're not gonna lock anyone up for not paying our copay.
RUSH: Nancy Pelosi said it's justified.
CALLER: I don't think so. That sounds a little farfetched to me.
RUSH: Well --
CALLER: Again, health insurance was already going up as it was every single year.
RUSH: James I'm glad it sounds far fetched. (He's on a cell phone, he can't hear me.) Well, I'm glad it's impossible.
CALLER: -- make much of a difference, it's going up anyway. --
RUSH: It doesn't...
RUSH: James? (sigh) It's impossible to talk to him.
CALLER: Maybe he can stop it but at least he can slow it down.
RUSH: James, it doesn't have to go up. That's the whole point. It doesn't have to go up. There are fixes for this. There are reforms for this. But the price of everything -- on balance, over time -- yeah, always goes up. But never like health care costs go up. What if hotel rooms cost what hospital rooms cost? What if the automobile business was priced the way the health care business is? This can't go on as it is! I'm glad you think that this jail business is farfetched, 'cause it's true. I know you don't want to believe it. I know you don't want to believe 90% of what is in this health care bill.
I know you don't want to believe how much freedom you will lose when this thing becomes law, fully implemented. I know you don't want to believe that, but it doesn't matter. You're going to find out if it's implement. You will find out and you will remember this day, when I told you. You're gonna find out how much more expensive it's going to be. You're gonna find out that your kid may not get treated. It's gonna be up to some bureaucrat whether your kid gets treated -- and when you get older, there's gonna be a panel of people deciding whether or not it makes sense to spend federal dollars on your health care, depending on whether they think it's worth it.
It's not a catch. They're gonna determine: Does it make sense to cure you of whatever you've got based on your age, how productive you're gonna be -- and if they decide that you are a losing proposition, they're gonna tell you, "Take a pain pill." Which Obama told a woman who asked about her mother in the circumstance, I think we're just gonna have to tell 'em to take a pain pill. James, I have no reason to lie to you. There's nothing in it for me to be wrong, any time, ever. I'm glad you called, though. I apologize. We can't have a conversation 'cause you're on a cell phone and you can't hear me when you're talking, and it's just frustrating. I don't know why. Apparently one of these things we're never gonna be able to fix. So I apologize for that, but I gotta go.