RUSH: Here's William in Dallas. William, I'm glad you waited. It's great to have you on the EIB Network. Hi.
CALLER: Hey. Good afternoon, Rush. I appreciate you having me on the show.
RUSH: Thank you, sir, for calling.
CALLER: Yeah. We listen to your show a lot, my in-laws and my wife and everything, and we really enjoy the program, but one thing I gotta say is that you gotta stop the employee bashing, the federal employee bashing 'cause you know what, not everybody makes a hundred thousand dollars a year in the federal government, and, anyway --
RUSH: When was the last time I bashed a federal employee and what did I say?
CALLER: You know, it seemed like early on in the program you were just talking about federal employees, but --
RUSH: What did I say?
CALLER: You know, I wish I could go back and tell you exactly, but, you know, like I said, I've listened to the program, I do hear every now and then where you're kind of bashing the employees a little bit, and anyway --
RUSH: You can say that, but then you can't tell me what I said.
CALLER: Right. And I apologize for that. I should have wrote it down or something, because --
RUSH: You know, you're the second guy in a row. We had a guy yesterday who called and said, "Look, they don't all make a hundred thousand dollars."
RUSH: And I don't remember ever saying they do. One out of five do. I think one out of five federal employees make more than a hundred grand.
CALLER: Right. Right. And there's a lot of people that don't, but I guess my point is is that, you know, the sequester, yeah, it's gonna hurt federal employees. I'm for it, actually. I was for the pay freeze. Because a lot of us feel that we're very blessed to even have a job because the whole US economy is hurting. Anyway, there's a lot of people that are emergency essential personnel, so like when you're talking about the federal government's gonna keep on going even though the sequestration is gonna come through, that's actually true, because, you know, there's emergency essential employees that work for the federal government, and no matter what you still have to come in and do your job, whether you get paid or not.
RUSH: If the sequester happens and you happen to be one of the jobs that's sequestered, you still have to come in and do it even though they're not paying you?
CALLER: If you're an emergency essential employee, yes, you do. You just can't say, "Well, I'm done being an employee." It's kind of like in the military, back in the, was it the eighties, I was in the military back then, and there was a period of time where the government shut down and no one was getting paid. Well, you know, the military just can't hang up their boots and say, "Well, I'm a civilian right now. I'm not getting paid."
RUSH: Well, the secretary of defense, Leon Panetta said 800,000 civilian Pentagon employees will be laid off and will not be working.
CALLER: Yep. Yep. 'Cause they're probably not considered emergency --
RUSH: Well, frankly, I don't believe that, not with this amount of money that we're talking about. Let me ask you a question. Do you get in-step, in-grade increases as a federal employee? Even under the freeze, will you get an in-step, in-grade increase?
CALLER: Right now, that is true. There are in-step increases.
RUSH: Well, then even under a freeze you will get your in-step, in-grade increases, right?
CALLER: Right. And a lot of us feel, like I said, we feel very blessed, you know, that we even have a job because so many people out there are unemployed and a lot of people feel that, "Hey, look, you know, freeze it. It's okay. We need to do our part."
RUSH: Well, but haven't you always got your back pay anytime there's been a freeze? Hasn't that pay always been made up to you, though?
CALLER: Later on, yeah, that happens, but --
RUSH: So there's no freeze. At the end of the day, there really isn't a freeze. It's just like during the so-called government shutdown of '95, all those federal workers ended up getting their turkeys at Christmas that they didn't get at Thanksgiving. They did get their turkeys.
CALLER: Right. Those people that were furloughed, they ended up getting back pay.
CALLER: But as far as like the quality step increases, if your time comes and it passes, you know, you may not get it. There's no guarantee that you're gonna get it. There's no guarantee that when you're furloughed that the federal government owes you that money.
RUSH: But every time there's a furlough or a freeze, the back pay has eventually found its way to the employee.
CALLER: That is true. That is true.
RUSH: So there's never technically a freeze. Well, look, we don't bash federal employees here. I don't know where you got that. You're the second guy in a row who called here today. There must be something on some website that says I am saying every employee makes over a hundred grand, federal employee, and I've never said anything of the sort. So there must be some site out there that's feeding data to federal employees who are then finding themselves offended and want to call here and set me straight. All I've ever said -- and is my source, by the way, is an economics professor who wrote a book recently, 500,000 federal employees do make over a hundred ground. It comes out to about one out of every five.
And, as you've said, in a freeze or furlough, you get your back pay. And I learned this during the government shutdown of 1995. I learned that Clinton went to the federal employees union guys and struck a deal. Go ahead, look, you know you're gonna get your back pay. You're gonna get your Thanksgiving turkey. So when the government shutdown happens, when Gingrich shuts it down, I want you to go on TV and wail and moan and whine about how you're gonna not have Thanksgiving because you don't have any money to buy your turkey because the Republicans are shutting down. And they did, and they went out, they whined and moaned about it.
And CNN had them out there, "Oh, my God." There was no Fox News here in 1995 during that budget shutdown. It was just me. There was no Fox News, there was nothing. And they're out there, and the federal employees are whining and moaning on TV about how they're not gonna have Thanksgiving because the government shutdown's robbed 'em of their turkey and the money and so forth, and then we learned that they got...
Is this bashing federal employees? So I'm bashing federal employees by explaining what they did in 1995? Oh, okay. All right. I guess you're right. I guess this is what might make people think I'm bashing federal employees. But everything I said is true. Yeah. Everything happened.
All right, then let's move on.
RUSH: You know, on this business of bashing federal workers, I don't bash any job. You know who's out bashing certain kind of jobs is Barack Obama -- and it was Michelle Obama in the campaign of 2008 in Steubenville or someplace in Ohio who said (summarized), "Don't go into hedge funds, and don't go to Wall Street. You know, stay here as a nurse. Stay here in public service." The Obamas have bashed all kinds of work. They bash Wall Street work; they bash hedge funds.
RUSH: Why are these federal employees calling me anyway? I don't have anything to say about what happens to them. Obama runs them! It's like Joe Scarborough said something truly idiotic. He said I am 1-for-6 in presidential elections and therefore people ought to stop listening to me. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm a bad influence.
Uh, I don't pick these nominees.
What is he talking about?