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RUSH: We are happy once again to welcome back to the program Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Cheney, we have a half hour with you today, and you\u2019re making the rounds. I know that you were on the Today Show today, Matt Lauer said to you that some people have called you the most divisive political figure in this country in a century. I don\u2019t know how you get a better compliment than that.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: No, I thought that was high praise, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We spoke a couple weeks ago, ladies and gentlemen, in an interview for the Limbaugh Letter<\/a>, and I\u2019m gonna take a different tack in this one. Folks, political memoirs, <\/a>many people think of them as dry, dull, boring, and not too revealing. This one is anything but. And, Mr. Vice President, I\u2019m gonna embarrass you here and there\u2019s no way to avoid it, but you are a great man. You have devoted your life to the service of the United States of America. I have just a brief resume here. In 1969, congressional intern for William Steiger; \u201969 to \u201970 working for Donald Rumsfeld; \u201971, White House staff assistant; \u201971 to \u201973, director of the Cost of Living Council; \u201974-\u201975, assistant to the president under Gerald Ford; \u201975 through \u201977, White House chief of staff, President Ford; 1976, campaign manager for Ford\u2019s reelection; \u201979 to \u201989, five-term congressman, Wyoming; \u201987-\u201989, director, Council on Foreign Relations; 1989, House minority whip; \u201989 to \u201993, secretary of defense under Bush Sr.; \u201993 to \u201995, second term, director, Council Foreign Relations; \u201995 to 2000, chairman of the board, CEO Halliburton. And of course from 2001 to 2009, vice president of the United States. You have given your country everything. What, if anything, stands out in all of your years of service, what stands out if you could single anything out as the most important or the most crucial element you were involved in in all those years?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Boy, that\u2019s a good question, Rush. Let me give you a two-part answer that comes at it a couple of different ways. Number one, sort of one of the absolute highlights of my career was the opportunity I had over time to work with the men and women of the United States military. They were superb. And it was always an honor, whether secretary of defense or vice president or chief of staff, any time you could be associated with an enterprise peopled with the folks that serve in uniform for the United States of America was a very special period in your career. I guess in terms of a specific result or something that I feel was most important that I was involved in would have been the years after 9\/11 when we put together things like the terrorist surveillance program and enhanced interrogation techniques, a lot of that stuff very controversial, but it was absolutely essential in allowing us to prevent further mass casualty attacks against the United States by Al-Qaeda, the fact that for seven and a half years there after 9\/11 we were able to keep the country save from attack.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let\u2019s talk about that, because you write extensively of the process that led you throughout enhanced interrogation techniques. You discuss Abu Zubaydah, what led you to Ramzi Binalshibh, eventually to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and when you write about this, you mention that it was two United States senators in your own party who threw some obstacles in your way, despite the invaluable intelligence we were obtaining through the program of enhanced interrogation. And, by the way, you describe how it all was sanctioned as legal by the authorities. In 2005 there was a move on Capitol Hill led by Senators McCain and Graham to end it. Tell us about that.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, no question there were controversies surrounding that particular program. John McCain, man I\u2019ve known well, served with in the House and so forth, John had strong feelings against the enhanced interrogation techniques that went back, he said, to his own personal experience as a POW in Vietnam. We just disagreed. There were others who served in the military in those days who were also POWs and who believed very deeply in what we were doing, who strongly supported our effort. So there were divisions over the question of what was appropriate here in terms of putting together the program.<\/p>\n

RUSH: But it had all been sanctioned legal. What was Senator McCain\u2019s problem with it? And he wasn\u2019t alone. Senator Graham was part of this. This was 2005. You even describe, you and the then-CIA Director Porter Goss went up to Capitol Hill to talk to them about this.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Right. Yeah, there was a vote as a matter of fact in Congress, because it was controversial, a lot of people, and I don\u2019t attribute this to Senators Graham and McCain. I think they were operating out of conviction, but there were — I can recall a vote in the Senate.<\/p>\n

RUSH: But you say he didn\u2019t even want to hear what you had to say.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, that\u2019s true. We set up a meeting in the secure spaces in the Capitol building where the Senate intel committee used to meet, and I took Porter <\/a>Goss, who was then the CIA director, myself went up and sat down to brief Senator McCain on the program, and John only stayed a couple of minutes and then got very angry and stormed out. We were never able to talk to him about it. We also had a vote about that time. There was an effort to put an amendment on a bill that would have required that you could only use the US Army field manual in terms of techniques that you applied to high-value detainees, and that measure passed the Senate 90-9. There were only nine votes who stood with us in the program. Now, in private they\u2019d say we\u2019re with you, you need to keep doing it, it\u2019s an important program, but when it was a public issue there were a lot of members who didn\u2019t want to have to defend it, who headed for the hills because of the controversial nature of the program. But the fact was, as you mentioned, Rush, we didn\u2019t do anything that wasn\u2019t signed up to by the Justice Department. In fact, the techniques we used were techniques that we used with our own people in training. There wasn\u2019t anything there — (crosstalk)<\/p>\n

RUSH: I am just gonna mention that.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: — our own forces.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Everything you used is part of training for our own troops, including waterboarding, correct?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Correct.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And everybody thinks when they hear enhanced interrogation techniques, everybody thinks that waterboarding is what\u2019s being discussed. In this case Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is there any doubt that it succeeded?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: No. I think there were three prisoners that were subjected to waterboarding. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the one that it was most effective with, and in fact he became a major source — I\u2019ve seen studies to this effect — major source of information and intelligence for us about Al-Qaeda. On 9\/11 there was a lot we did not know about Al-Qaeda. It was still an organization that was relatively new to us. We didn\u2019t have a lot of detail about the members or where they operated and so forth. We needed to learn all of that if we\u2019re gonna track town those people responsible for 9\/11 and prevent further attacks. And capturing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in \u201903 and then being able to interrogate him effectively with these techniques was vital in giving us the knowledge we needed in order to defeat Al-Qaeda.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Talking with Vice President Dick Cheney, his book is In My Time. We have to take a brief commercial time-out here. But again, folks, the phrase has been bandied about, “heads will explode,” and even though he denied it, General Powell\u2019s head has exploded. It did on Sunday on Bob Schieffer. He said something, by the way, Mr. Vice President yesterday, before we go to the break, now, this may not be news, but it was to me. General Powell said that when he found out with Richard Armitage that Armitage was the source for Bob Novak on the whole Valerie Plame story, that they called the Department of Justice. Now, I didn\u2019t know that. I thought all along that Armitage wasn\u2019t saying a word while Scooter Libby was being held accountable and twisting in the wind in a process trial or crime for this. Were you aware that Armitage had gone to DOJ, and, if that happened, why did the special prosecutor even pursue the case if they knew who the leaker was?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: We didn\u2019t find that out \u2019til much later. In fact, he\u2019d been the source, I have to think back, as early as June of that year, of \u201903, for Bob Woodward. Woodward didn\u2019t write about it, but Woodward actually taped the conversation, and it\u2019s available on the Internet. But that\u2019s a key question.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So you didn\u2019t…? I just want to ask: You didn\u2019t know that Armitage and General Powell had called the Department of Justice and said, “We are the source;” and Armitage had said, “I\u2019m the source for Robert Novak\u2019s piece”? You did not know that they had made that call?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: That\u2019s correct. And I don\u2019t know what they said when they talked to Justice. I do know they — I think; you know, the supposition is that the Justice Department — knew by the fall of \u201903 that Armitage was the source of the leak. When they appointed the special prosecutor, Fitzgerald, and he started work in December of \u201903, one of the first things he learned was that Armitage was the source of the leak. But even knowing all of that… Ordinarily since that was the charge that was being investigated, that should have ended it. Instead what happened was they ran a two-year investigation that drug a lot of folks over at the White House through the mud and mire of a grand jury proceeding in order to try to find somebody they could indict — and, of course, in the final analysis Armitage was never sanctioned for the leak that he was responsible for; and the only one who was was Mr. Libby.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Who didn\u2019t do anything!<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Correct.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Other than apparently get confused in testimony and get caught up in what they call a “process crime.” Well, that\u2019s fascinating. I thought that was news Sunday when General Powell said that. We must take the break now. We\u2019ll be back with Vice President Cheney right after this.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: And we are back with Vice President Dick Cheney. In My Time is the title of his memoir. Mr. Vice President, I have a procedure. I ask people before interviewing people such as yourself, “Is there anything you\u2019d like to hear Vice President Cheney answer?” and it\u2019s amazing with you. I\u2019ve asked people from all walks of life, every sphere and circle of friends I have, and without question the most frequently asked thing I was asked to ask you was, “How did you deal…?” I mean, being the person that you are, investing your life for the goodness of this country, “How did you deal the last eight years of your service being called a demon, a devil, Darth Vader, the most divisive?” People want to understand what that\u2019s like from a personal standpoint and how you dealt with it and stayed focused on your job. How did it affect you?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: (chuckles) Well, if you\u2019ve been around as long as I had, Rush, by the time I got to be vice president, I certainly expected — especially if I did anything controversial — that I was gonna be the subject of a certain amount of criticism and abuse. It goes with the turf. You can\u2019t let it get to you. If you haven\u2019t got a thick enough hide to take some of those slings and arrows and to keep on doing your job, then you\u2019re probably in the wrong job. Part of it, frankly — some of the comedians at night — was pretty good.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing)<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Pretty funny, that is. I got as big a laugh about it as anybody. I remember Darrell Hammond on Saturday Night Live portraying me as a one-man Afghani wrecking crew living in a cave outside Kandahar, Afghanistan. I had on my chest a built-in machine that made me invisible to radar and brewed coffee.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Again another compliment.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Yeah, another compliment. (chuckling) That\u2019s right. But you really have to take it with a grain of salt. It wasn\u2019t also personal. Sometimes it was, but it goes with the turf.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What was your reaction? Every intelligence service around the world including our own said that there was little doubt Saddam Hussein was working on a serious weapons of mass destruction program, perhaps even nuclear. After the invasion, for all intents and purposes, nothing was found. What was your reaction?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, what I recall from the report that was done… You may remember we had an Iraq Survey Group that went in and looked at everything, and they\u2019re the ones that did not find any stockpiles. Obviously that had been falsely reported. On the other hand what they did find was that Saddam had retained the capability to go back into production on relatively short notice. He had the raw materials and the technology and the people to be able to resume his program as soon as sanctions were lifted and the inspectors disappeared from the scene. Mr. Kay, who, in fact headed up that search, said after he\u2019d finished his work with the Survey Group that he was more concerned about the threat Saddam represented than he had been when he thought he actually had stockpiles. In other words, very concerned that Saddam was potentially somebody who would quickly get back into the business of producing WMD. Again, he\u2019s one of the few people who not only had produced it in the past, he\u2019d also used it in the past. So to say that there was no WMD, that\u2019s sort of the conventional wisdom that\u2019s out there, but what it was is there were no stockpiles, but there clearly was the capacity — as well as, supposedly, the intention — to go back into that business on short notice.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You\u2019re out of politics now. You\u2019re an observer. You\u2019ve finished the book; you\u2019re doing your interviews. What is your assessment of the country? What\u2019s your assessment of the future?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, I\u2019m as pro-American as I\u2019ve been. I\u2019ve got seven grandkids. I hope that they\u2019ll take away from my own experience a willingness on their part to get involved in our political system and be a part of the history that\u2019s bound to be made in the decades ahead. I\u2019m worried. I think we\u2019ve got some significant problems right now. You talk about \u2019em a lot on your show, and legitimately so. I think we\u2019ve gotta be very concerned still about the prospects of a terrorist attack on the United States with something deadlier than airline tickets and box cutters. I think the debt problem we\u2019ve got is horrendous and badly needs to be resolved. But I\u2019m also worried about, oh, such things as the fact that in this year\u2019s campaign coming up everybody\u2019s focusing on jobs and the economy — and it\u2019s very important to do, but I\u2019m worried that the price for that will be paid by drastic cuts in the defense budget. And that would be a big mistake. I think we\u2019ve gotta find ways to make certain we don\u2019t decimate our military capabilities as we try to bring our domestic spending under control.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We have about a minute and a half here. The current Republican presidential field, anything surprise you about it?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, I haven\u2019t signed on with anybody yet at this stage. I expect, in the final analysis, I will support the Republican candidate, but to date —<\/p>\n

RUSH: I hope so! (laughing)<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: (chuckling) I can\u2019t imagine I\u2019d — well, I\u2019m confident I won\u2019t — support President Obama. Obviously, I\u2019ve got fundamental disagreements with him. But I think we\u2019ll have to see what develops here over the course of the next few months and hopefully we\u2019ll have a good strong candidate emerge from that primary process.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I know you\u2019re really busy today. This is my second opportunity to talk to you — and, folks, I want to tell you: The newsletter interview takes an entirely different tack than this one. It\u2019s a little bit more… Well, I won\u2019t describe it. Read it when you get to the newsletter. But I want to thank you, Mr. Vice President, for giving me both opportunities to talk to you and for giving me the chance to embarrass you here. I do think you\u2019re a great man, and I think that this book of yours is — no matter what page you open it to — riveting. It is fascinating. It is not your typical political memoir, ladies and gentlemen. It is from the heart and honest, and there are heads exploding despite the fact people may not want to admit that.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: (chuckling)<\/p>\n

RUSH: I want to congratulate you on this. It\u2019s a great book, and I really appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about it, sir.<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, thank you, Rush. You do great work. I\u2019m a huge fan, as you know, and I\u2019m honored that you\u2019d take time out of your show to chat about it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Any time. Vice President Dick Cheney and the title of the book is In My Time.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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