{"id":18815,"date":"2011-04-20T01:01:01","date_gmt":"2011-07-20T00:20:59","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-07-20T00:20:59","modified_gmt":"2011-07-20T00:20:59","slug":"analysis_trump_perot_populism_conservatism_and_the_pop_culture","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2011\/04\/20\/analysis_trump_perot_populism_conservatism_and_the_pop_culture\/","title":{"rendered":"Analysis: Trump, Perot, Populism, Conservatism and the Pop Culture"},"content":{"rendered":"<section>\n<p>RUSH: Cincinnati and Ron. Greetings, with just to the EIB Network. By the way, Ron: Cincinnati, the Bengals, are one of the five teams that do not have a primetime appearance in the upcoming NFL schedule.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Ohhhh, you had to mention that, Rush? That was in my talking notes here. First off, it\u2019s an honor and privilege to speak to you again, sir.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Thank you very much, sir.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah. I was gonna say that Cincinnati is one of the harder places to be an NFL fan, but you beat me to it.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Yeah, you have your moments.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/01125115.Par.89380.ImageFile.jpg\" width=\"350\" height=\"243\" class=\"alignright\"\/>CALLER: Yeah. We do, and we suffer through it and we\u2019re glad to have \u2019em here. Anyway, Resurrection perspective dittos to you, sir. The reason I\u2019m calling today: You\u2019re talking about Trump, and you\u2019re saying that some of the Republicans will almost seethe when they hear his name mentioned, but I for one am glad to have him in the discussion at this stage of the game; and the reason I\u2019m glad to have him in it is he\u2019s bringing the pop culture audience who otherwise wouldn\u2019t be paying attention. You know, they\u2019re out watching American Idol and whatever his Apprentice shows are and such, and when they get to the Republican debates and he\u2019s out there up on stage with serious candidates &#8212; it\u2019s not that he\u2019s not serious, but he\u2019s got a lot of flaws. But when he\u2019s up there and trying to make his points, and he\u2019ll make some points, those folks will also be listening to the serious candidates and their arguments and those folks will then be engaged on the right side.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Let me ask you a question.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yes, sir.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I know Andrew Breitbart has his new book out, and one of his objectives with his media businesses &#8212; Big Government, the websites, the videos that he does &#8212; is he\u2019s trying to bring conservatism to the pop culture. Pop culture is totally owned and dominated by the left, as you know. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Movies, books, television shows. The left owns it. He\u2019s trying to introduce pop culture conservatism to the fans of pop culture, and so you think Trump might do this. Now: What is Trump saying that might cause people who live in the pop culture to have, say, a favorable view of what you and I believe? It\u2019s not a trick question. I want to know what you really think.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Well, I think he\u2019s bringing credence to the conservative mentality. If they like him as an icon, they recognize his success, they feel like he\u2019s a happening guy, and so it\u2019s not so &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Well, let me jump in here.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I understand what you mean, but I have some problems with that. I mentioned this yesterday. I\u2019ve had a lot of people ask me, &#8220;You know, you were really hard on Perot, why aren\u2019t you hard on Trump?&#8221; I\u2019ll be glad to answer that. They\u2019re really not the same in any way, shape, manner, or form other than they both appear to have an appeal to populists, but let\u2019s set that aside for just a second.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: If Trump is serious about this &#8212; if I, El Rushbo, determine down the road that Trump is serious &#8212; I\u2019m going to request a meeting. I\u2019m gonna take him aside. I\u2019m gonna say, &#8220;Whoever is telling you about conservatism is misleading you a little bit.&#8221; Conservatives don\u2019t want a 25% tariff on comported Chinese goods.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Correct.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: The mainstream conservative base is not concerned with where Obama\u2019s birth certificate is. We\u2019re concerned with his economics, his destroying the economy.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: My thoughts &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: What I\u2019m afraid of is&#8230; This is gonna sound strange. I don\u2019t mean to say that Trump is not his own man. I don\u2019t mean to imply here that he doesn\u2019t do his own thinking, but we do know that he\u2019s got people who are &#8212; he\u2019s got a team, he\u2019s got a political team that\u2019s, quote, unquote, &#8220;advisors.&#8221; I think there are some people who are giving him a skewed perception of mainstream conservatism. I think he believes that mainstream conservatism is the kooks, is some of the fringe &#8212; and that\u2019s not, of course, the case. So, for example, if you think Trump is a great messenger of conservatism to the pop culture crowd then we\u2019ve gotta make sure that what Trump is articulating is genuine conservatism and not a distorted view of it &#8212; and certainly not populism.<\/p>\n<p>You go to Perot. Perot, I can\u2019t tell you number of people who say, &#8220;You seem to be taking Trump half seriously, and Trump\u2019s saying stuff you ought to be jumping all over. I remember you with Perot, Rush. You were telling us from the get-go, &#8216;Perot is a phony.'&#8221; Let me tell you: The differences here are stark. For one thing, we don\u2019t know what really is motivating Trump here yet. We know what he says, but we don\u2019t really know. With Perot, what we eventually learned is that he really had a problem with George Bush 41 over prisoners of war and a planned release during the Reagan years when Bush 41 was VP.<\/p>\n<p>They asked Perot to fund it and then wouldn\u2019t let him go on the rescue mission or series of rescue missions. He had a real problem. Plus when Perot was out there in the nineties, \u201992, the only conservative media was me. There was no Fox, there was no blogosphere. So Perot was all over C-SPAN, and the places that Perot was going to make speeches were hardened, very serious, C-SPAN-type events. You know, most dull, dry, National Press Club, this kind of stuff. Trump is not doing that. There\u2019s a huge difference in the approach to both. There was never any doubt in my mind that Perot was going to be a spoiler, and I remember warning people that he ultimately wasn\u2019t going to run &#8212; and, gosh, those days were really fraught with friction here because I had my syndication partners telling me in private meetings, &#8220;You know, you\u2019re running your audience off. Your audience loves Perot! You need to be positioning yourself as leading the Perot juggernaut.&#8221; I said, &#8220;I\u2019m sorry, this is not me. I\u2019m not a populist. You know, I\u2019m a conservative.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: So there are some still-significant differences. I understand. Look, Trump\u2019s got his TV show, The Apprentice. He attracts pop culture stars as guests to appear on that show. He does have a connection to people at pop culture and we are weak there. I don\u2019t disagree with your premise on this at all, but we don\u2019t want people getting the wrong idea about who conservatives are. In other words, I don\u2019t want the pop culture crowd &#8212; and let\u2019s acknowledge for a second that they are made up of people who are largely ignorant about us &#8212; we don\u2019t want them thinking that the number one thing we care about here is Obama\u2019s birth certificate!<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: And we do not want conservatism redefined. This has been one of my fears whenever people come along and have this immediate appeal to people that\u2019s visceral, that\u2019s not really based in thought-out belief but rather just an emotional attachment. That was my fear with McCain. McCain was gonna redefine what conservatism was. I don\u2019t want conservatism redefined. Conservatism doesn\u2019t need to be redefined. Conservatism will win if it\u2019s just tried, if it\u2019s just utilized. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: So your premise vis-a-vis the pop culture is very relevant. It just has to make sure that it\u2019s an accurate portrayal of what conservatism is.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: You bet. Hey, am I still here?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Okay, great. I got one other point. I\u2019m hopeful that he does not turn into a spoiler. I\u2019m hoping that, at the end of the day, his disgust with how Obama is handling our nation will allow him to &#8212; when he does not prevail through the primaries &#8212; get behind the right candidate. Again, with some guidance from conservatives like you and others, you know, get behind the right candidate and bring all the audience that he\u2019s brought in then behind the right guy for the right reasons.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Well, spoiler is right. You\u2019d have to say if Trump is a spoiler, he\u2019s not gonna take Democrat votes away from Obama. That was always at risk with Perot. He was never gonna take votes away from Clinton.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: It was always gonna be the other way around. Look, I\u2019m glad you called out there, Ron, and our condolences on the Bengals and not one primetime appearance in the 2011 season. <\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/01125115.Par.4584.ImageFile.jpg\" width=\"340\" height=\"291\" class=\"alignright\"\/>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: You remember that Trump almost ran for president in 1999 on the Reform Party ticket, and that was the offshoot of Perot\u2019s party &#8212; and in 1999 Trump proposed a wealth tax of around 15%, a one-time wealth tax of 15% on everybody\u2019s net worth. I think it was limited to people of certain net worth. There was a minimum before the tax applied to you, and the purpose of Trump\u2019s 15% net worth tax was to pay off the national debt, reduce it. Now, that isn\u2019t conservative. Nor are 25% tariffs on imports from the ChiComs. That isn\u2019t conservative. Now, Trump has answered that. He\u2019s said, &#8220;Well, that\u2019s what I would threaten. I\u2019m gonna talk a good game to these guys. They\u2019re gonna know they\u2019re not sitting in front of a patsy when they\u2019re talking to me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Now, at the time in 1999 if Trump\u2019s 15% wealth tax (which, again, was a tax on your net worth) had happened, his tax would have been 700-some-odd-million dollars. He released that figure. His positions today sound very much like Reform Party. That\u2019s why a lot of people, I think, are bringing up Perot to me. Because those are the kind of things that Perot was proposing. There are a lot of similarities, if you listen to Trump carefully, between what Trump\u2019s saying and what Perot was saying, because they\u2019re both oriented here in populism, and by that I mean oriented to &#8220;America\u2019s getting screwed! America\u2019s getting the shaft. We\u2019re gonna stop it.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s added to it, what Perot never said (because it wasn\u2019t applicable then) was that Americans are getting the shaft by Americans. Trump is adding to that because Obama is giving us the shaft; he believes that. So he does. He has a message that sounds a lot like what the Reform Party was. <\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>Susan in Milford, Ohio, I\u2019m glad you waited. You\u2019re next on the EIB Network. Hi.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Hi. Hi, Rush. I just wanted to say that I\u2019m a Republican and I\u2019m a 50-year-old woman who voted Republican her whole life, and I would definitely vote for Donald Trump. I think he tells it like it is. He says what most people think but are afraid to say.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: And I think what\u2019s motivating him to run is that he\u2019s like the rest of us that are sitting here and can\u2019t take it anymore &#8212; Obama ruining our country, bankrupting us &#8212; and I don\u2019t think he\u2019ll be a spoiler. I think he\u2019ll run because he knows he\u2019ll win, and I think he cares about the country, and I think he is getting sick of being used by other countries &#8212; and, hey, pay us back what you owe us.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: What makes you believe this? I\u2019m not challenging. I\u2019m trying to learn.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Right.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: What makes you believe he\u2019s serious about running?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Because it just seems like I can see it almost in his face that he\u2019s just like all of us that are sitting here saying, &#8220;I can\u2019t take this anymore. We have got to get this guy out of here. We\u2019ve gotta get somebody in here that will really care about the country and really not try to bankrupt us,&#8221; and I think he\u2019s got enough financial know-how to get us out of this mess. But I also think on a ticket he would definitely need somebody that was a respectable and decent and honorable man to run as vice president; and I think that would be Huckabee, and I think that Huckabee cares enough about Israel, he\u2019s an honest man, and I think he would bring integrity back to the White House and we\u2019ve lost that.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: He wouldn\u2019t be in the White House. He\u2019s be up at the vice president\u2019s mansion.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Well, he would be helping out and he would bring integrity to the ticket, so that\u2019s why I think Huckabee would be good for him.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Okay. Well, we\u2019re taking all this in. I\u2019m fascinated. These kinds of things &#8212; learning how people think, learning how people react to candidates, personalities &#8212; is a fascinating thing to me. Susan here is convinced he\u2019s running. Nobody knows. We don\u2019t even know if he knows. We don\u2019t even know if he has made up his mind whether he\u2019s running or not. Now, we do know that he has told NBC that he\u2019s not committing to a new season of The Apprentice until he figures out what he\u2019s doing. He\u2019s even got them hanging. There\u2019s an NBC executive out today saying, &#8220;There\u2019s no way he\u2019s running.&#8221; A nameless NBC exec. &#8220;No. We know he\u2019s not running. This is just for ratings. He\u2019s just out there hyping up The Apprentice. 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