{"id":213934,"date":"2016-07-08T16:17:37","date_gmt":"2016-07-08T20:17:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/172.24.32.11\/daily\/2016\/07\/08\/heather_mac_donald_talks_about_her_essential_book_the_war_on_cops\/"},"modified":"2021-05-26T22:45:48","modified_gmt":"2021-05-27T02:45:48","slug":"heather_mac_donald_talks_about_her_essential_book_the_war_on_cops","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2016\/07\/08\/heather_mac_donald_talks_about_her_essential_book_the_war_on_cops\/","title":{"rendered":"Heather Mac Donald Talks About Her Essential Book: The War on Cops"},"content":{"rendered":"

RUSH: The war on cops has now come to Dallas, Texas. The war on police has come to Dallas, Texas. Now, after the program yesterday I interviewed Heather Mac Donald for the next issue of The Limbaugh Letter<\/a>. She has a book out. She\u2019s a scholar, Manhattan Institute, and a prolific writer. And her most recent book is: The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe<\/a>. Not just the cops, but particularly the cops.<\/p>\n

It was a compelling interview, and this morning I feverishly reached out and asked her if she had some time because she said some incredible things. Her research has produced some incredible statistics, and I want you to hear it from her. So she has graciously consented to come back and she joins us now. Heather, thanks for making time today. I really appreciate it.<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: Oh Rush, it\u2019s an honor talking to you twice in 24 hours.<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s a rare opportunity. Most people don\u2019t get that. (laughing)<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: They\u2019d kill to be in my position.<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s great that you had time to do this, because this book, I would now call this book essential. Let me mention the title of this one more time, folks, “The War on Cops,” which will help you find it, that\u2019s really all you need. The full title is “How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everybody Less Safe.” I don\u2019t want to steal your thunder, but I want to review some of the things that you said yesterday. I went back to the transcript of the interview. Let me run through some of these things before you elaborate.<\/p>\n

You said you could end all police shootings tomorrow, both lethal and nonlethal and justified and unjustified, and it would have a negligible effect on the astronomical rate at which blacks die by shootings. And then there was this: The Justice Department under Obama came out with a report in March of 2015, a little over a year ago, that found that black and Hispanic officers were actually far more likely to shoot unarmed black suspects under what\u2019s known as threat misperception. That is the false belief that the suspect is armed. That happens much more than with white officers, who are less likely to engage in that type of threat misperception.<\/p>\n

Then there was a study by the New York Police Department. Te former acting director of the National Institute of Justice found that black officers in the New York Police Department were 3.3 times more likely to use their guns at shooting scenes than white officers. So, A, officers are more hesitant about shooting armed black suspects than armed white suspects to the point where now there\u2019s a risk that officers are hesitating so long that they may put their own lives at risk. The Black Lives Matter, that is all about white officers attacking blacks, is simply not true. That\u2019s the bottom line here. Everything everybody believes isn\u2019t true. They think Ferguson, Missouri happens every day. And it does not.<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: Well, Rush, President Obama lied to the nation last night, and he embraced the Black Lives Matter myth that there is a racist war by white officers against black civilians in this country. And we see the results. In fact, there\u2019s no government agency more dedicated to the proposition that Black Lives Matter than the police. Proactive policing has saved tens of thousands of minority lives since the mid?1990s.<\/p>\n

And now police officers are backing off. They\u2019ve been backing off before the Dallas assassinations under the assault of hatred that is being spewed at them on the streets. But above all in the mainstream media by activists and by politicians from the White House on down, they\u2019re backing off of proactive policing, and crime is going up astronomically, as much as 90 percent in cities with large black populations. And now, after these Dallas shootings, officers are going to be even more reluctant to engage. And the result is going to be more carnage.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, it\u2019s going to be a long summer. And something I mentioned to you yesterday that I want to throw back out there is that the sickening thing to me about this, nobody likes seeing this. We can\u2019t deny that what happened in Minnesota happened. We can\u2019t deny that what happened in Louisiana happened with those two shootings. We can\u2019t deny what happened in Ferguson happened. But they make it up after it happens. We don\u2019t really know what happened in Minneapolis yet. We don\u2019t really know what happened in Louisiana yet, all the circumstances.<\/p>\n

But we do know that in Ferguson they created a totally false narrative. Hands up, don\u2019t shoot, never happened. And yet how many people in this country, minorities, believe that it did, to this day. Now, how is that possible? And my contention is that we have a political party that\u2019s seeking to benefit from all of this. A political party, the Democrats, are seeking to advance their agenda with every one of these unfortunate incidents. And if that is the case it isn\u2019t going to stop. You\u2019ve got Jesse Jackson out there today blaming Donald Trump for this, for crying out loud. And he\u2019s not the only one doing so.<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: Well, it\u2019s politics and it\u2019s also ideology. There\u2019s an ideology that\u2019s taken hold of universities, that has taken hold of elite establishments, that is committed to the myth of endemic white racism. And you\u2019re right, there have been bad shootings, police shootings. The Walter Scott shooting in North Charleston was very bad. The Laquan McDonald shooting in Chicago. These were appalling incidents of police negligence and likely criminality. But those are not representative of this nation\u2019s police forces. They are more professional than ever before and they are dedicated to saving black lives.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Heather, let me stop you there because these are assertions that you\u2019re making that you have backed up with research. You\u2019re not just pontificating here off the cuff. By the way, Heather Mac Donald\u2019s our guest here, The War on Cops is her new book. Everything you just said has been backed up by research you conducted.<\/p>\n

<\/a>MAC DONALD: Well, let\u2019s look at some of the numbers. I know numbers are sometimes tough over the radio, but a larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths are the results of police killings than black homicide deaths. That is, 12 percent of all whites and Hispanics who die of homicide are killed by police officers. Four percent of all blacks, homicide victims, are killed by police officers. So if we\u2019re going to have an Anti?Cop Lives Matter movement it would make more sense to call it White and Hispanic Lives Matter.<\/p>\n

The fact is that over 6,000 blacks die of homicide each year. That is more than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are 13 percent of the nation\u2019s population. And the reason they are dying of homicide at a rate six times higher than whites and Hispanics combined is because they commit homicide at eight times the rate higher than whites and Hispanics combined. And that type of crime disparity means that when the police are trying to save lives, they are in minority neighborhoods confronting people engaged in drive?by shootings, killing children.<\/p>\n

In the last 72 hours in Chicago<\/a> there\u2019s been about four children under the age of eight who have been shot. One boy shot in the back on Father\u2019s Day. A three?year?old boy was shot. He\u2019s now paralyzed for life. That\u2019s who police are trying to protect. But given the disparities in crime rates the police cannot help but be in minority neighborhoods where they\u2019re confronting violent and resisting suspects and sometimes officers themselves will have to use force to protect themselves and protect innocent bystanders.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Heather, you\u2019ve just alluded to something that\u2019s highly politically incorrect. You\u2019ve just given numbers, hard evidence, on what is called black-on-black crime. You\u2019re not supposed to mention that during incidents like this because the only thing you\u2019re supposed to talk about, Heather, is how vicious racist white cops are hunting down innocent black men in neighborhoods. That\u2019s the narrative. That\u2019s what inner-city youths are being taught. That\u2019s what they\u2019re being told.<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: Rush, here\u2019s another very politically incorrect fact, and I don\u2019t want to racialize policing, people should not. But if we\u2019re going to talk about race and policing, let\u2019s talk about cop killings. Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they\u2019re six percent of the population. It turns out, Rush, that a police officer is 18-and-a-half times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is likely to be killed by a police officer.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Say that again. She said this to me in the interview yesterday and I was sitting here with my mouth open. We just don\u2019t hear this. This is the result of your research. You\u2019re not making this up. You\u2019re not opinionizing. This is it. Say that one more time.<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: Again, you can look at the data on police shootings. If you look at those numbers, and it\u2019s in my book, the arithmetic that I generated this by, a police officer is 18-and-a-half times more likely to be shot by a black male than an unarmed black male is likely to be shot by a police officer. So, again, there\u2019s been an effort in Chicago by some city aldermen there to create a Blue Lives Matter<\/a> law. And that has been attacked as racist by the Black Lives Matter activists out there and the ACLU.<\/p>\n

But in fact it makes a lot of sense to have a Blue Lives Matter movement because officers are putting their lives on the line every day. They were running towards the shooting scene in Dallas last night as they run towards shooting scenes in inner cities on a daily basis to try and protect children. We don\u2019t know the names of these black children who have been killed because the Black Lives Matter activists don\u2019t care to talk about it.<\/p>\n

In Cleveland in September of 2015, three children under the age of five were murdered by drive-by shootings, leading the police chief there, who happens to be black, to break down in tears and say everybody protests when a cop is shot. Why aren\u2019t we out here protesting when we shoot each other? That is the big mystery of our time. And again President Obama last night only fanned these fires of hatred by putting out his usual lies that the criminal justice system is racist. It is not. It responds to crime in order to try to protect lives, not to take them.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Speaking of President Obama, in part of show prep today I found a story from March, I think, of 2015, in which President Obama welcomed two founders of Black Lives Matter to the White House and commemorated them and their efforts and praised them as being better organizers than he is. And Black Lives Matter was exactly who they are then as who they are today. They\u2019re a terrorist group. They\u2019re quickly becoming a terrorist group committing hate crimes. And the attorney general today is saying that she\u2019s going to look into this, investigate this as a hate crime, which is amazing they\u2019re not trying to find out if this guy is a member of the Tea Party.<\/p>\n

MAC DONALD: (Laughing) Absolutely. It is so appropriate that the Black Lives Matter movement took off on the basis of the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, which as you say, Rush, was a hoax and has continued to venerate Michael Brown as a martyr to police brutality, which is also a hoax, because the entire movement is based on a lie.<\/p>\n

It is simply not the case that the police are disproportionately shooting black males when you take violent crime into account. And for President Obama to give that movement any credibility when it is now threatening law and order itself, we are at risk of attacking the very foundation of civilization if this type of hatred continues.<\/p>\n