Now, I had bunch of people in the email — I check it during the break — ask me if I thought the debate would mean anything to the presidential election. I said yesterday to a caller that vice presidential debates usually don\u2019t matter a hill of beans. Can I give you an example? Let\u2019s go back to 1988. George H. W. Bush running for the presidency, his first term, he had chosen Dan Quayle to be his veep. He was up against Michael Dukakis, and “Lord” Bentsen of Texas was the vice presidential nominee. And during the vice presidential debate, Quayle versus “Lord” Bentsen, the subject of Quayle\u2019s lack of experience came up. He\u2019d only been in the Senate not long. <\/line><\/p>\nSo Quayle drew an analogy. “Well, John F. Kennedy wasn\u2019t in the Senate very long when he was elected president.” “Lord” Bentsen paused and said, “Senator, I knew John Kennedy. John Kennedy was a friend of mine. And, Senator, you are no John Kennedy.” And the roof blew off the place, and it was thought to be one of the best killer lines ever delivered in a political debate in the history of the universe. And it didn\u2019t matter a whit. George H. W. Bush beat Dukakis by eight points. The vice presidential debate didn\u2019t matter. <\/p>\n
Now, that was just one aspect. Quayle didn\u2019t do poorly in the debate at all, but that one instance you can imagine the post-debate commentary was embarrassing. They started talking about how George Bush had chosen the wrong guy. Quayle was all energetic and flapping his arms out there on the campaign stump, and they were all beating up on George W. Bush for choosing — they accused Bush of choosing a young guy to get women. Remember that? Quayle was chosen because he was supposedly gonna be a chick magnet. Well, anyway, the point is the vice presidential debate, Quayle reputedly got nailed by the line from “Lord” Bentsen, and George H. W. Bush still won. <\/p>\n
So the vice presidential debate traditionally doesn\u2019t matter. But this is a different year with different dynamics and all different ingredients. I still maintain that you can\u2019t judge things happening in this political campaign the way you would judge them if both candidates were from the inside or from the establishment. There clearly is an outsider here, and, boy, are they threatened by that. <\/p>\n
All these Democrats who wanted Trump to be donating to \u2019em. All these Democrats that have been sucking up to Trump for golf club memberships over the years. All of these people that desperately wanted to be invited to Trump parties when he throws them at Mar-a-Lago and everywhere. Now all of a sudden these Democrats are talking about Donald Trump as though he is the reprobate of all humanity. <\/p>\n
I\u2019m old enough now that I can see this stuff repeating. If you\u2019re new to this, I\u2019m sure it\u2019s all exciting, I\u2019m sure it\u2019s got you amped up, I\u2019m sure you\u2019re jazzed, “Wow, this is cool, man, I love getting all chalked up like this.” When you start seeing this stuff repeat and you start seeing it disintegrate and get worse and deviancy seeming to rise and become a major factor in these events, it has an effect, at least it has an effect on me. It just makes me sick of it. I\u2019m tired of it. I\u2019m worn out by these tactics. It\u2019s not just that it\u2019s unfair or anything like that, that would be childish to say that. It\u2019s just beneath us. We deserve better than this. <\/p>\n
You could pick a hundred people out of the phone book and you\u2019d get a better debate than we had last night. Just pick a hundred names and choose two of them. No, I\u2019m not slighting Pence. Okay, do this. Pick a hundred names and choose two. Choose a moderator from the phone book and choose the Democrat candidate from the phone book and I guarantee you we\u2019ll have a better debate than what we had last night. A debate that would better serve us and actually have some meaning, play some role in determining the outcome. The way this is gonna determine, if it determines anything, is that the Democrat was such a jerk that maybe, just maybe, people will start putting two and two together and realizing that\u2019s who they all are. <\/p>\n
BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n
RUSH: To the audio sound bites we go. Here we have a montage of Drive-By Media types, saying that Pence failed to defend Trump and that there was a reason that Pence didn\u2019t defend Trump. See if you can pick it out of here.<\/p>\n
CHUCK TODD: Tim Kaine was running for Vice President in 2016; Mike Pence was running for president in 2020.<\/p>\n
ANDREA MITCHELL: (background noise) Mike Pence defended his turf for 2020.<\/p>\n
JOHN BERMAN: Mike Pence just won the first presidential debate for 2020.<\/p>\n
WOMAN: (giggling)<\/p>\n
PAUL BEGALA: Mike Pence, he\u2019s running in 2020! He threw Trump under the bus!<\/p>\n
MARK PRESTON: But Mike Pence certainly did himself well if he (chuckles) decides to run in 2020.<\/p>\n
EZRA KLEIN: Mike Pence came in and made Mike Pence look good for 2020.<\/p>\n
JACKIE KUCINICH: I think Mike Pence may have been looking a little bit at 2020.<\/p>\n
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Made himself probably the front-runner for the Republican nomination in 2020.<\/p>\n
RUSH: Lockstep. Every damned one of them, lockstep, with the same damn take. And I\u2019m just gonna tell you, throughout that whole debate last night, that didn\u2019t occur to me once, not one time, because I know that\u2019s not what Pence was doing. Pence wants to win now. Pence wants to correct the lies and character assassinations that are taking place now. 2020? These people can\u2019t stop thinking about this in their formulaic way, that even in the middle of this campaign what some people are really positioning for is 2020, and there probably are people doing that.<\/p>\n
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The same usual insiders that play all of this as a game when all of us treat this is as real as it gets. To them, it\u2019s a game. Pence setting himself up for the 2020 election. It is humanly impossible, it defies any notion of common sense and intelligence that after a debate last night you could have a front-runner for 2020! It\u2019s beyond absurd. But look, somebody sent the memo out, or maybe they didn\u2019t need a memo. Maybe they think in lockstep without being told. Just mind-boggling. Frank Luntz had a focus group over on CBS, special coverage, vice presidential debate. Luntz said to his focus group, “Give me a word or a phrase to describe Mike Pence this evening.”<\/line><\/p>\nWOMAN: Calm.<\/p>\n
WOMAN: Classy.<\/p>\n
MAN: Polished.<\/p>\n
WOMAN: Effective.<\/p>\n
MAN: Knockout.<\/p>\n
WOMAN: Compelling.<\/p>\n
MAN: Composed.<\/p>\n
WOMAN: Eloquent.<\/p>\n
RUSH: And then Luntz were, “You were all critical of Senator Kaine. So give me your reactions to Senator Kaine.”<\/p>\n
WOMAN: Kaine cherry-picked things that made Trump sound like a crazy person, and Kaine came off looking like a crazy person.<\/p>\n
MAN: (chuckles) Kaine came off as a jerk. I actually liked that guy, and I was really disappointed in him this time. He just kept going back to trying to needle little points. A total jerk. Condescending. I think he reinforced the worst of Hillary.<\/p>\n
VOICE: Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n
VOICE: Yes!<\/p>\n
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MAN: I think he really did her a disservice.<\/line><\/p>\nRUSH: Okay. So that\u2019s encouraging. These are average American voters, and they saw it the way we did, correct? (interrupting) You saw it that way, pretty much. I mean, it was Jerk City last night. (interrupting) Look, that\u2019s my point. It was beyond irritating. It was beneath us. It was insulting to us, particularly if that was a strategy. I don\u2019t know if Kaine… See, I don\u2019t know the guy. All I know is what people inside the establishment say about him is what they say about everybody. “He\u2019s a great guy! He\u2019s got a great family!”<\/p>\n
They all talk about each other that way. I don\u2019t know the guy. I\u2019ve always been suspicious of the guy. The guy\u2019s always looked like… I was not surprised with this last night. I just think it\u2019s beneath us. If that was a strategy to go out there and be as jerky and abrasive as you can and lose the debate on purpose to make sure you get all that negative stuff in on Trump? Well, then they pulled that off, too. Now, here\u2019s Luntz. After talking to his focus group participants, Luntz had to wrap it up for anybody.<\/p>\n
LUNTZ: Are any of you now more likely to vote for Donald Trump because of what you heard from Mike Pence? Raise your hands. Two, four, six, eight, 10. So half of you. Will it actually change any of your votes? Nobody. Well, that\u2019s pretty significant. These are undecided or uncommitted voters in Ohio. They\u2019re the ones that really matter, and tonight was a very good night for the Trump-Pence ticket.<\/p>\n
RUSH: Why? Nobody\u2019s gonna change their vote. Didn\u2019t I hear him say that? “Will it actually change any of your votes? Nobody. Well, that\u2019s pretty significant.” Ohio doesn\u2019t count anyway. The New York Times just told us it\u2019s no longer a bellwether. Hillary\u2019s pulled out of there. The New York Times said it\u2019s not a factor. Luntz should close up shop there. Ohio doesn\u2019t matter anymore, the people of Ohio. You know why? Because Ohio is “too white.” That\u2019s right, my friends. Too many white middle-class people live in Ohio. <\/p>\n
There aren\u2019t enough Black Lives Matter people there.<\/p>\n
There aren\u2019t enough illegal immigrants. <\/p>\n
There aren\u2019t enough ex-cons that need the permission to vote. <\/p>\n
There\u2019s not a good left-wing cross section of America. <\/p>\n
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There are too many decent, hardworking, middle-class people in Ohio to appeal to the Democrat Party, and so the New York Times told us it\u2019s no longer a bellwether. Back in July, the New York Times did a story on how Ohio was crucial when Hillary was winning there. But now she\u2019s not, and so it\u2019s not important. Here\u2019s John King. And this, by the way, loops back to the rumor that PMSNBC was floating and that Snerdley says The Politico is reporting. This is last night — Debate Night in America on CNN — with John King, and he\u2019s discussing the reaction, the aftermath of the debate last night.<\/line><\/p>\nKING: I wanna give you one insight from somebody inside Trump world who is in the inner circle in Trump world who said that he does not think this is going to go down terribly well with Donald Trump. Even though the Trump campaign is rushing out statements with all conservatives across the country praising Mike Pence, they say Donald Trump is watching the reviews and he\u2019s hearing, “Mike Pence won. But he didn\u2019t defend Donald Trump and that Hillary Clinton and Mike Pence are better debaters than Donald Trump.” Some people think that might not sit well with the boss.<\/p>\n
RUSH: There you go. So that\u2019s the second place that it\u2019s been promulgated out there. So, see, the take-away is even when the Trump team wins, Trump loses. “Pence had a great debate. Pence outclassed the jerk! Pence outclassed the moderator. Pence was calm, he was cool, he was collected, he was fabulous, he did a great job. Trump loses! Trump lost the debate last night because Pence so easily outclassed him, and Trump is now mad that he was made to look bad and he\u2019s mad that he\u2019s got added pressure now to be as good as Pence.” That\u2019s the story they\u2019re putting out, which equals “Trump lost”. And then, at the end of the all of that, it didn\u2019t matter, because none of the people in the Luntz focus group say their vote was changed anyway.<\/p>\n
BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n
RUSH: Okay. On this by the way, Drive-Bys say that Pence was actually positioning himself for 2020. You know what? There\u2019s good chance that that talking point went right from the Clinton campaign to the Drive-By Media. Somebody had to write it. I mean, the idea they\u2019re gonna think of this independently, lockstep like this? Somebody is behind this. And if you ask me, folks, the Clinton campaign is behind this. <\/p>\n
They want to create the impression that Pence knows Trump\u2019s gonna lose. “Pence knows that Hillary\u2019s gonna win in 2016; it\u2019s all about 2020 for Pence. That\u2019s what they\u2019re trying to establish. It\u2019s all about 2020 because Pence obviously can see, read the tea leaves. It\u2019s over! Hillary\u2019s the big winner this year. There\u2019s no chance for him. So 2020.” That\u2019s what\u2019s going on with that. Mark my words.<\/p>\n
BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n
RUSH: Here\u2019s Ann in Williamsport, Maryland. Great that you got through today. Hi. How are you?<\/p>\n
CALLER: Hi. I\u2019m good. Thanks for taking my call.<\/p>\n
RUSH: Yes, ma\u2019am.<\/p>\n
CALLER: I just appreciate all you do. I love listening to you.<\/p>\n
RUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n
CALLER: But the reason I called was I really loved the way last night Pence looked into the camera and spoke to the American people. Even if they tried getting him off course, he actually acknowledged the America out in TV land, I should say. But I just really appreciated that.<\/p>\n
RUSH: That\u2019s interesting.<\/p>\n
CALLER: And I hope Trump does the same thing.<\/p>\n
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RUSH: Well, you know what? Your observation, I think, is shared by a lot of people. He kept his cool; he was — importantly, he was not flustered off of the points that he wanted to make. They were trying to just rat-tat-tat endless interruptions and assaults, trying to get him off his line of thinking, forget his train of thought and the points that he wanted to make, and they didn\u2019t succeed. <\/line><\/p>\nKaine ended up looking like el jerko. And, of course, now we\u2019ve got the cover theory. “Well, Rush, I mean, they\u2019re so far ahead. Kaine actually went in this to lose it.” That was the first theory I heard last night from Drive-By analysts. “Oh, yeah, he wanted to lose this. They\u2019ve got a cushion. They can lose this. It was important to have the stuff about Trump said, and Kaine said it. And he said it and said it. He repeated himself five or six times on each one of those things, and he was willing to run the risk of losing the debate on style points or whatever just to make sure that those talking points –” <\/p>\n
And then they concluded, “Well, you know, Pence really did well. Pence didn\u2019t rise to the bait. He kept his cool and all that, and in the process Donald Trump lost, \u2019cause Pence did so good he made Trump look bad.” Then they told us that Trump was mad that Pence did so well because Pence doing well puts more pressure on Trump to do well as though Trump\u2019s going into the debate not really giving it his all, but now he\u2019s mad because Pence did so well that Trump really has to try now. <\/p>\n
They actually try to make us believe this pap in the immediate debate aftermath last night where we were treated to all the analysis. Oh, and then the piece de resistance, that Pence knows that Hillary\u2019s got this locked down. It\u2019s over. Pence was simply positioning himself for his own 2020 presidential run. These people, I don\u2019t think they realize how obvious and transparent they are now to people.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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