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RUSH: (Story<\/a>) “A Republican congressman has called for a deadline to pull US troops from Iraq, while other members of President George Bush\u2019s party urged his administration to revamp Iraq policy. Republican Walter Jones<\/a>, a North Carolina conservative, said on ABC\u2019s This Week that he would offer legislation this week setting a timetable for the US withdrawal from Iraq. ‘I voted for the resolution to commit the troops, and I feel that we\u2019ve done about as much as we can do,\u2019 said Jones, who coined the phrase ‘freedom fries\u2019 to lash out at the French for opposing the Iraq invasion. Other Republicans on television talk shows joined Democrats in criticizing the administration for playing down the insurgency, while overestimating the ability of Iraq\u2019s fledgling forces to fight without US soldiers in the lead, and failing to plan for the post-invasion occupation.” Senator Lindsey Graham<\/a> back in action here, said, “The insurgency is a alive and well. We underestimated the viability of that insurgency.” Representative Curt Weldon<\/a>… By the way, I just want to remind you people. What did I say early on in this? Didn\u2019t I tell you that there\u2019s no insurgency? It\u2019s a bunch of terrorists, and who are we really at war with? This has to go back six months to a year. We are really at war with Iran in Iraq. That\u2019s who\u2019s sending people in, also Syria, but I said, “We\u2019re actually battling Iran.” This is not a bunch of Iraqis that are rising up. Well, it was with a certain element of the Saddam party, the Ba\u2019athists, but I don\u2019t even think it\u2019s correct to call this an insurgency. These are just a bunch of terrorists imports. An “insurgency” inspires home grown rebels and that\u2019s not who this is. <\/line>“Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican who just returned from Iraq, joined several Democrats saying the administration had to be more candid and acknowledge that it could take about two years to train Iraqi forces to replace US soldiers and allow a significant pullout. ‘We can\u2019t come back to America and have our people being convinced that the Iraqi troops are prepared to take over, when they\u2019re not,\u2019 he said on NBC\u2019s Meet the Press. Weldon also said the administration had to ‘come to grips\u2019 with a rising insurgency boosted by fighters from Syria and Iran.” Weldon said, “For some reason our intelligence community does not want to acknowledge or deal with this rising insurgency.” Well, if the insurgency comes from Syria and Iran it\u2019s not really an “insurgency” at all, is it? I\u2019m not trying to split hairs on the definition of words here, but I just don\u2019t think that this is an insurgency. This is what it\u2019s always been. This is a battle against worldwide terrorism and the playing field happens to be Iraq because that\u2019s where we went and the terrorists all over the world are coming to that spot to fight this, but I\u2019ll tell you it\u2019s clear that there\u2019s starting to be some wavering even on the Republican side on this. Remember the story I told you last week, and I think I have a bit of an understanding of why this may be happening. I think some of these people are hearing from their constituents, and their constituents are watching television every day, and on television you see ten more Iraqis killed or ten more Americans killed or a car bomb here or a car bomb there, and these constituents say, “What are we accomplishing here? All we\u2019re hearing is, ‘We\u2019re losing people; we don\u2019t seem to be winning anything.'” There obviously could be other reasons for this as well. This is one way for Republicans to get their names in the paper and on the wire services is to criticize the administration. You know the press will love them for that, but this is pretty widespread. I mean, with Curt Weldon and Walter Jones and Lindsey Graham — John McCain, Jr. But nevertheless these comments are being made. <\/line>Then of course TIME Magazine<\/a> has this great profile of just how horrible G\u2019itmo is, and we\u2019ve got this controversy raging here about whether we should close down G\u2019itm, and Vice President Cheney has said, “We\u2019re not going to close G\u2019itmo. The president has never said we\u2019re going to close it. We\u2019re not even thinking of closing G\u2019itmo,” but this came up last week in a way that was reported that the president was considering it, and that would be an absolute disaster, particularly in the face of all this criticism, to close down G\u2019itmo and move these prisoners of war elsewhere, and that leads me to some thoughts, folks, and if you are a constituent of Lindsey Graham or Walter Jones or Curt Weldon or if you are a citizen concerned about the day-to-day news coming out of Iraq: “Ten Iraqis killed here, 20 Iraqis blown up there; ten Americans killed. A car bomb here, insurgency attack there.” Let me try to put some things in perspective for you. I\u2019m not trying to sound cavalier about that, but I want to try to bring some historical perspective to this again. Does anybody remember Iwo Jima? “Oh, there he goes. Rush going back to the old fuddy-duddy archives.” Well, this is World War II. Iwo Jima<\/a>. It\u2019s a famous landmark battle in World War II. We\u2019ve even got a monument based on photo taken, that we planted a flag there. Do you know that we lost 7,000 Marines in a little more than a month on Iwo Jima? Seven thousand in one month. I think we\u2019re up to 1,700 soldiers dead in Iraq, close to 1,700. Seventeen hundred dead after a year and a half. We lost 7,000 Marines in just over a month at Iwo Jima. So I just want to ask you to imagine if today\u2019s media and today\u2019s liberal politicians existed back then, we lost thousands on the other islands, too, Guadalcanal<\/a>, Midway<\/a>. <\/line><\/p>\n

Why hasn\u2019t today\u2019s media run any stories on how prisoners of war were treated back then for some context? Why no stories about the internment of 110,000 Japanese <\/a>which would show how Bush has been an icon of civil liberties when it comes to fighting a war? We\u2019re fighting a war in the most humanitarian way a war has ever been fought, folks, particularly regarding our enemies. We\u2019re treating our enemies sometimes better than we treat some of our friends. We\u2019re doing this with this new humanitarian umbrella over everything, and the media reports it as the absolute worst it\u2019s ever been. We\u2019re a gulag according to Amnesty International and we are just losing our humanity all over the place. We never get stories about how US prisoners of war have been treated over the years in World War II, in Vietnam, other than the McCain story<\/a>. But we never hear any context on this, 7,000 Marines dead in a little over one month in Iwo Jima. Tom Brokaw wrote this book called The Greatest Generation, remember that? The Greatest Generation that Tom Brokaw wrote about would not have cared about kicking a Koran. He wouldn\u2019t have cared about treating a German, Italian, or Japanese prisoner of war in accordance with some group like Amnesty International. A member of the greatest generation wouldn\u2019t have given a rat\u2019s rear end about rounding up suspects without probable cause, about providing lawyers and due process to illegal enemy combatants. They didn\u2019t care about it, and they\u2019re called “the greatest generation.” They are the greatest generation. Brokaw wrote the book; everybody picked up on it, and they didn\u2019t give one rat\u2019s rear end, folks, about civil liberties and humanitarianism in the middle of a war — and they were called the greatest generation.<\/line>Now, what\u2019s changed? As I\u2019ve said to you countless times, in the 1960s the same people who undermined our war effort in Vietnam, that same bunch of people is at work today — the worst generation, if you ask me, and I\u2019m a member of it. The 1960s. We\u2019re still fighting the 1960s generation which controls the mainstream media, which controls the Democratic Party, and which controls academia. You know, the greatest generation, then the worst generation. You can compare these two. How the same people who rightly hold that generation up as a model really don\u2019t. If the people who brought Brokaw\u2019s book, The Greatest Generation, had read it and really praised these people and really held them up as the greatest generation, how in the world can they do that and believe what they believe today? Because the greatest generation wouldn\u2019t have been caught dead having its hands tied the way our hands are tied today, either in Iraq or at Abu Ghraib or at G\u2019itmo. We\u2019re tying our hands to the point the only way we can win a war is if the other side decides to give up, because they\u2019re making it impossible for us to succeed militarily and with any kind of sense of real victory and triumph. And it\u2019s the same bunch of people that gave us the template of how to get a Republican president out of office in the 1970s and gave us the template of how to report and write and think about any war that the United States is involved in, which started back with the Vietnam War. Where are all the stories on how we handled the prisoners on Iwo Jima or throughout Europe and North Africa? Let\u2019s see how we did it back in World War Two, that we won. Where\u2019s the context?<\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line> RUSH: Here\u2019s my point, folks, however inarticulately made here. The liberals who praised Brokaw\u2019s book, The Greatest Generation, they love to talk about the greatest generation, but they must not really accept it, certainly not when it comes to the brutalities of war and how it must be thought to be won. I don\u2019t mean to be criticizing our treatment of POWs in World War II, but why aren\u2019t the liberals since they demand lawyers and meals and Korans and all kinds of treatment to prisoners, why aren\u2019t they looking back at what we did in World War II and criticizing that?! <\/line>If the US has an institutional problem with all this, why do they on the one hand cite World War II and the greatest generation in glowing terms, and yet take a look at what\u2019s going on now and condemn this country. I maintain that the way we fought World War II, the losses that we incurred, and the losses that we handed out and the treatment that prisoners of war got — we interred 110,000 Japanese. What in the world are we doing today that comes even close to that? Zilch, zero, nada. I don\u2019t know what we did to POWs in World War II but I\u2019ll guaran-damn-tee you we didn\u2019t go out of our way to make them feel comfortable, to give them whatever they demanded and wanted. We certainly didn\u2019t have lawyers come in and give the right to these people to be represented before US courts of law. We are allowing the debate over this war to be argued in the context of the anti-war mentality during Vietnam rather than the mentality that existed in World War II, and I\u2019ve always said that one of the things that worries me — and I\u2019ve been saying this for 20 years, by the way — is that someday this country is going to elect a president that has no memory in his lifetime of a United States victorious in war, and it seems to me that that\u2019s what we\u2019ve got here.<\/line>Forget the president in this case, George W. Bush. We\u2019ve got a whole generation whose template for war is Vietnam, and that template includes, “We have to lose it. We cannot fight it. It\u2019s immoral. It\u2019s ignoble. It\u2019s unjust. It\u2019s all that rotgut. We shouldn\u2019t be there. We\u2019re too powerful. It\u2019s not fair. We cheat. We\u2019re not honest,” all of these things. That\u2019s the template under which this war is being fought but not any other war. We don\u2019t go back and look — it\u2019s no different than in your personal life, if you have a dream, a career dream or any other kind of dream, go talk to the people who succeeded at it. Why in the world would you want to surround yourself with a bunch of failures and a bunch of embittered people who are only going to tell you that you can\u2019t make it because they didn\u2019t and it\u2019s not fair and the business will eat you up and spit you out and this sort of stuff. That\u2019s exactly what we\u2019re doing here. We are listening to people who do not think we should win a war, who think we cannot win a war, who think that we cannot do one fairly, who think that we can\u2019t behave as civilized human beings, that\u2019s the template under which both Iraq and this whole G\u2019itmo and Abu Ghraib thing is taking place — and it\u2019s being done on purpose. The template that was created in the 1960s from the Vietnam War is what is animating the media today, the Democratic Party today, and it\u2019s why I asked last week, “I don\u2019t understand…” Well, intellectually I do, but it still is amazing to me how whenever a controversy arises around the world, how it is that so many people in this country can instinctively blame this country, that whenever there is an open question about anything, the instinct is to point fingers of blame at us. This country is to way too many people reviled and despised, and I\u2019m talking about people in this country. I understand that we have enemies around the world. We\u2019ve got enough enemies within our own borders here that we have a real problem with this as well.<\/line>You know, some of these people who praise the greatest generation are some of the very people who are the most rejectionist when it comes to applying the values and standards of the greatest generation in fighting and winning the war. If there\u2019s a template for winning a war, it\u2019s World War II. If there\u2019s a template for losing war or botching it, it\u2019s Vietnam. Which template is being used today by the Democratic Party and the media? I don\u2019t want to get into an argument over did we lose Vietnam or not because I know that\u2019s something that\u2019s open for debate as well, but the PR spin, the image clearly is that we were humiliated and we got out of there and that we did not achieve victory, and of course in one sense that has to be correct because we had all this genocide afterwards and we have communism that reigned over North and South Vietnam and Pol Pot in Cambodia, and all that. I predicted that if the enemy combatant issue ever came to our court system, that chaos would ensue, and it has. You cannot fight a war in court, particularly when you have too many liberal judges on the bench who are willing to insert and assert their power over the commander-in-chief. When have we ever had lawyers for prisoners of war who can sue in federal court? Where do we get that template? Where did that come from? At G\u2019itmo they\u2019re not even garden variety POWs. They\u2019re the worst of the worst. They don\u2019t even receive the protection of the Geneva conventions. That\u2019s how bad they are. They legally are not entitled to them, which were adopted after World War II. I wonder why? What do you think went on in World War II to cause the Geneva conventions to come into being? What do we do with these barbarians that are at G\u2019itmo? <\/line><\/p>\n

We have a federal judge who has ruled that they cannot be returned to their home countries unless we can guarantee they won\u2019t be tortured. A federal judge, even if we close the place down, where are we going to send them? We can\u2019t send them back to their home countries unless we guarantee they won\u2019t be tortured. How the hell can we guarantee that, especially when, to the media and to the Democrats in this country, we are the sole architects of torture? There is no other torture. I know there are beheadings, but that\u2019s not torture. “These people are entitled. They\u2019re the enemy of the US. They\u2019re smaller. They have to do what they have to do, Rush. They have to do what they have to do because they\u2019re going up against the biggest superpower the world has ever known.” It\u2019s maddening, and as this debate continues, I have to tell you, I get frustrated that there\u2019s not more of an assertiveness on all this from high levels of the administration. If we bring these prisoners on US territory — and remember, G\u2019itmo is a leased base in perpetuity on foreign soil — if we bring them to the United States, for example, if we close G\u2019itmo and have to move these people to the US, then all kinds of rights for these people kick in. This is the 9\/11 Commission report. I cannot help but mention that within the context of all this. <\/line>We have all the talk about missed opportunities, how the FBI and the CIA didn\u2019t communicate, how they didn\u2019t connect the dots, how the intelligence was bad — and we\u2019re going to take some of the best sources of information, the most violent Al-Qaeda types and deny ourselves the ability to extract information from them. It\u2019s just, to me, I say inexplicable, but it\u2019s not. I totally understand it because I understand liberals. And I understand their desire to defeat George Bush no matter what the consequences for this country, no matter what the consequences to any individual in this country, meaning a soldier, male or female, wearing the uniform of the United States. Whatever it takes to beat Bush, whatever it takes, even if it means losing the war on terror. Then I keep hearkening back to the lament after 9\/11, the Democrats are all out there saying, boy, you know, it\u2019s just too bad this didn\u2019t happen when Clinton was in office. He didn\u2019t get a real challenge, didn\u2019t get a real crisis here to define his presidency. Even jealous of Bush that 9\/11 happened on his watch. Well, now that it happened, and now that Bush is trying to do something about it, guess who\u2019s trying to tie his hands? We have some audio sound bites as well. This TIME Magazine story, they talk to the reporter who did the big article on G\u2019itmo in TIME Magazine, and I\u2019ve got some sound bites of this, and it\u2019s amazing. The guy who wrote the article is just savaging us at how rotten things are and how G\u2019itmo really works. When you listen to this guy on television talk about it, why, you wonder how the article could have gotten written the way it did. <\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line> RUSH: It\u2019s amazing. I just got an e-mail. “Rush, we didn\u2019t treat those 110,000 Japanese harshly.” For crying out loud, folks, we didn\u2019t treat them harshly? You\u2019re missing my point. We interned a bunch of American citizens that had nothing to do with Japan. FDR, 110,000. “Oh, they weren\u2019t treated badly.” This is not about treatment. For crying out loud. This one little e-mail sort of expresses, or illustrates, the dichotomy that we have here, and we have some phone calls coming up that I think will, too. Now, the White House, according to Duncan Hunter, congressman from California, is split over whether to close G\u2019itmo, and this comes as TIME Magazine has its big story about how horribly we\u2019re treating prisoners down there. “Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, said that some members of the Bush administration wanted to close the camp to end a high profile debate over allegations of abuse at Guantanamo.” It\u2019s not going to end anything. If we close the base, everybody in the Democratic Party is going to go nuts and say, “Bush admits it, we are inhumane, we are treating people rotten,” and then we\u2019re going to follow wherever these prisoners are sent and we\u2019re going to have press access to see how they\u2019re treated wherever we send them or wherever we put them. It\u2019s just going to ramp it all up. It\u2019s not going to quell this or stop it. Here\u2019s Brian Bennett. Brian Bennett, the Washington correspondent for TIME Magazine, was on Fox this morning. E. D. Hill, Brian Kilmeade, Steve Doocy. They\u2019re talking about the log at G\u2019itmo. The logs that are outlined in this week\u2019s issue of TIME, and Steve Doocy says, “What are some of the things according to your report that the guys at G\u2019itmo were doing to the captives?”<\/line>BENNETT: Detainee 063, he was kept in stress positions, which is a technique that Rumsfeld himself had approved for use specifically on this detainee and another couple of detainees. He was chained to the floor in a sitting position for hours and hours on end or made to stand for hours on end. And you can see in the log that it\u2019s recorded that his limbs started to swell up, a doctor was —<\/line>KILMEADE: Oh really?<\/line>BENNETT: — to check him on a regular basis.<\/line>KILMEADE: That\u2019s too bad. I really feel bad about that. First off, his limbs started swelling up, but he did give up some other people among the 500 that were possible bodyguards for bin Laden, correct?<\/line>BENNETT: Yes, he did. He gave up names–<\/line>KILMEADE: And while those limbs were swollen he gave that up?<\/line>BENNETT: Yes, he did. He gave up the names of detainees that were also at Guantanamo Bay that he said were members of Al-Qaeda.<\/line>RUSH: I thought that was supposed to be a story about how rotten we were behaving down there? This is what goes on in war. We got good information from the guy, and he ended up getting a doctor. Next question from Doocy, says, “Brian, do you have any evidence that anything the guards did down at G\u2019itmo or the interrogators did was against the law?”<\/line>BENNETT: There\u2019s one technique which was simulating suffocation by dripping water on the head that Rumsfeld had not approved, and there is in the log mention of constantly pouring bottles of water on the head of a detainee. That is unclear exactly which techniques had followed that course.<\/line>RUSH: Oh, man, folks, I\u2019m so embarrassed, how do we deal with this? This is horrible. This is unspeakable. We poured water on these guys\u2019 heads. We poured water! You know what? I ought to turn myself in to the Cape Girardeau police because on Halloween when I was a little kid, when I was ten or 11 years old, when I got too old to go trick-or-treating because it just wasn\u2019t cool. I would camp upstairs in a bedroom window above the front step and when these little urchin trick-or-treaters would come in their humorous, you know, rotten looking little costumes bammo! I\u2019d bomb them with water balloons. As soon as my mom closed the door after handing out the candy, bammo, there went the water balloons, and I struck gold a bunch of times. My mom never even knew it, either, you know, because they ran off. They didn\u2019t come back and tattle, they ran. By the time the next trick-or-treater– it was dark out there, my mother couldn\u2019t see the water stains on the sidewalk. I must have done this for two hours. I didn\u2019t know I was engaging in torture, and I wasn\u2019t even trying to gain any information from these little kids. I didn\u2019t even want to get the candy back that my mom had given them. I just wanted to bomb them with water balloons because I thought it was harmless little fun. They were pretty big balloons, but not to big, but just big enough. Maybe the size of a grapefruit by the time you filled them up with water, just lob them out there. It was fun. I can\u2019t believe this, folks, dripping water on the head and constantly pouring bottles of water on them. You know, it\u2019s hot down there at G\u2019itmo. They might have actually felt good to these guys. Here\u2019s Duncan Hunter. He\u2019s on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, and he has a little story here on how the guards are treating the detainees. In fact, what he\u2019s going to read here is the menu for the prisoners of war at G\u2019itmo.<\/line>HUNTER: How do we treat these people? I sat down yesterday with the menu from Guantanamo so the average American can understand how we\u2019re brutalizing people at Guantanamo and I\u2019ve got it right here. They\u2019re going to be having orange glazed chicken, fresh fruit Group A, steamed peas and mushrooms, rice pilaf, another form of torture for the hijackers. We treat them very well. If you go back to Sunday, it looks like it\u2019s lemon baked fish as an entr?e, and if you look at the food and you also look at the list that has been prepared for the Armed Services Committee, which lists abuses of the way that you can abuse a prisoner, feeding them the food that we feed our soldiers, that is the MREs, which is the new C rations, is considered actually to be a form of abuse, something probably the manufactures of C rations or the new rations don\u2019t agree with.<\/line>RUSH: Precisely my point. What our own military eats is considered abuse when given to a prisoner. And these are barbarians down there, folks, these are not just… I mean there\u2019s a story out today, “Do you know there\u2019s even some minors? We\u2019re holding some minors at G\u2019itmo. How horrible. There\u2019s a 12-year-old and a 14-year-old.” Does anybody remember the name Lee Boyd Malvo? Lee Boyd Malvo was 16 when he was shooting people in the Washington sniper case. I mean, it\u2019s come to pass, what I have feared has come to pass. We just do not have, apparently, a significant number of people who were alive to remember an America victorious in war. We have way too many people from the sixties generation whose template of war is the US deserves to lose because the US is institutionally corrupt and Satanic and evil and mean. That\u2019s what\u2019s guiding all of this today; get out of Iraq, it\u2019s not fair, it\u2019s not right, we didn\u2019t find any WMDs so we need to split totally ignoring what\u2019s really going on there now, and then this Abu Ghraib and G\u2019itmo stuff. New York Times — what did I see today? This is the first day since April that there has not been a front-page story on Abu Ghraib. I\u2019ll have to check this, I\u2019m not sure, but it\u2019s a long time, there have been many consecutive days, front page stories, Abu Ghraib, New York Times. <\/line>END TRANSCRIPT<\/line><\/p>\n

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