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RUSH: Here\u2019s George in Palm Beach, Florida. George, nice to have you on the program.<\/line>CALLER: Rush, how are you today? What an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much. <\/line>RUSH: I couldn\u2019t be better, thanks for asking. It\u2019s great to have you with us.<\/line>CALLER: Just a little background on me before I start this. I live in Palm Beach County. I live just a little ways from you. I live on the same side of the bridge as you. I\u2019m exactly the same age as you. I\u2019m involved in agricultural in south Florida. It\u2019s been very good to me obviously. I agree with you 99.99% of the time, but you are absolutely wrong about this notion that you have that Americans will take the jobs that some of these immigrants are working in. It\u2019s just not true. It\u2019s absolutely not true, and I would really like to prove that to you and to show because I know what kind of person you are. I\u2019ve listened to you for 18 years now.<\/line>RUSH: George?<\/line>CALLER: I know what kind of person you are, and it\u2019s not true.<\/line>RUSH: George?<\/line>CALLER: Yes.<\/line>RUSH: You know what? I will not even require that you prove it because I trust you. I believe you when you say it. My answer to you is, “Then let legal immigrants take the jobs if nobody will pick fruit or whatever.” By the way, in California, we had this argument some 20 or 30 years ago. You couldn\u2019t get Americans to pick tomatoes and so forth. So they actually reengineered&lt;\/a> the shape of tomatoes and built a machine to pick them so that human beings aren\u2019t necessary.<\/line>CALLER: That\u2019s totally — that\u2019s a different situation. Those tomatoes are grown for processing. Everything down here is fresh market stuff, that\u2019s what I do, fresh market produce.<\/line> RUSH: Look, we needn\u2019t argue because I believe everything you\u2019re saying is true, but it\u2019s not a justification for sustaining and promoting illegal immigration. There are plenty of legal immigrants coming in the country that need entry-level jobs, things like this to get started, and why couldn\u2019t they do the job?<\/line>CALLER: I\u2019m not saying —<\/line>RUSH: Why does it have to be illegals?<\/line>CALLER: How are we going to make them legal to do it then?<\/line>RUSH: How are we going to–<\/line>CALLER: How are we going to make it legal for them to do it? How are we going to legalize them to do this work?<\/line>RUSH: There are two kinds of immigrants in this country to get in every year, legal and illegal, and I\u2019m just asking —<\/line>CALLER: Rush, the legal ones have jobs. The legal ones are working in industries and they\u2019re working.<\/line>RUSH: Not all of them. Now, wait a minute. I\u2019m running out of time here. Are you saying — I got 30 seconds — are you saying the illegals are poor; the legals are accomplished and achieved when they arrive?<\/line>CALLER: I\u2019m saying that the illegals are the ones that are working in our industry because the legals — they\u2019ve gotten into society. They\u2019ve gotten the better jobs. They\u2019re not the ones that are taking these types of agricultural jobs.<\/line>RUSH: I\u2019m glad you called because this illustrates one of the sides of the argument that is roiling the Republican Party. Agribusiness is very eager to promote the use of illegals to keep wages down, price of food down. George, I wish I had more time, but I\u2019ve gotta run. I\u2019m up against it.<\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: I have to respond to the nice guy from Palm Beach, George, who is the agribusiness guy who was making it clear what the divisions are on the Republican side when it comes to this issue. He made the point that only illegals will pick his crops. He tried to say that legals come in and are more qualified than illegals and so forth, but the point about that is that he\u2019s asking — I love the guy — but he\u2019s asking to be subsidized. He\u2019s asking for taxpayers to subsidize his business by looking past the law, so that he can hire people for a low wage or what have you. George, frankly I know you\u2019re out there, and I know this is going to make you mad, George. You were a great call, and I gotta respond to it. But George is the kind of guy that was supposed to be fined under the Simpson-Mazzoli act back in 1986 for hiring illegals, and they promised that that would happen and so forth, and it hasn\u2019t, and I wanted to mention that.<\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line>RUSH: Here\u2019s Tony in Ellsworth, Maine. Tony, I\u2019m glad you called. Welcome to the program.<\/line>CALLER: Rush, one o\u2019clock cigar dittos to you.<\/line>RUSH: Thank you, sir. Appreciate that.<\/line>CALLER: I agree that illegal immigration is definitely a problem and we definitely need to secure the borders, but I have to disagree with you on the guest worker program. I think it would actually bring some order to a burgeoning problem in this country. We have 11 million people that are, you know, supposedly 11 million people that are here illegally, and we have no tracking of them or anything. I think this guest worker program would give us some control over those, and anybody that is not suitable we can deport them. There\u2019s a whole — when — remember when Bush announced this several months ago, it was last year sometime —<\/line>RUSH: Yes.<\/line>CALLER: — at first I had the reaction, “Oh, no, it\u2019s amnesty,” but then I thought about it more and I said, “You know, it\u2019s probably a brilliant plan because then we can get rid of the people that are undesirable.”<\/line>RUSH: Well, here we go. Guest worker program. Guest workers. Amnesty. It\u2019s amnesty. Okay, we\u2019ll call it guest worker. Are you disagreeing with me on this, Snerdley? Okay, all right. No, not this part. Now, again, Tony, let me ask you a question about this. We got the guest worker program, blah, blah, blah, and we\u2019re going to track them now. They\u2019ve got to show what — what\u2019s going to force them, what\u2019s going to motivate them, inspire them to actually show up and register? What if they don\u2019t? <\/line>CALLER: I really don\u2019t know the answer. I think a lot of people that come here, come here honestly, they want to work, they want to better their lives and I think the majority of people that are here, you know, illegally they want to do that because of the economic opportunities. They want to be part of the, you know, American dream, and like Mark Belling said yesterday, it\u2019s actually easier for somebody to get here illegally than it is legally, and I don\u2019t disagree —<\/line>RUSH: Yeah, that\u2019s the way it\u2019s supposed to be. That\u2019s another absurdity. But all these do not add up to excuses for not doing anything about it. They just don\u2019t. You can\u2019t justify it with any of the excuses that I have heard so far. I think actually what people are trying to do with this legislation is remove the word “illegal.” If they could, they\u2019d legalize these people tonight to get rid of the issue, but they come up with a typical bloated bureaucratic piece of legislation that requires for its enforcement the people who are the targets of this bill to actually do all the work.<\/line><\/p>\n

You gotta show up. You gotta pay a fine. You gotta go to English class. The question is, if want to track \u2019em and so forth, keep tracking their movements and find out how they\u2019re doing assimilating, if they are or not — if they don\u2019t show up, if they don\u2019t show up and register and pay the fine — I don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to do to find them because the argument we can\u2019t deport them, and I understand one of them, it\u2019s a large number. But if we\u2019re not going to try to track them down now when they\u2019re already illegal, what in the world makes anybody think we\u2019re going to?<\/line>By the way, the figure 11 million, 12 million, it is a guesstimate. It\u2019s a total guesstimate. I mean, there\u2019s some statistical projection behind it to get to it. But it\u2019s still a guesstimate. So we\u2019re never going to really know if they\u2019ve all shown up or not. We won\u2019t even know if 75 or 80% of them show up. My guess is far fewer than that will, and then those that don\u2019t how we going to know they even exist? How we going to know where they are? What are we going to do to try to track \u2019em down? This is all the enforcement side and I\u2019m telling you the answer is zip, zero, nada.<\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line>RUSH: You know, folks, I\u2019m not trying to beat a dead horse. I\u2019m really not, but I have these almost visceral reactions when I hear these arguments, “Well, we have to understand them. We must get to know them, and they\u2019re poor, and they so want to come here and improve their lives.” Okay. Just because people want to come here, what does that have to do with setting immigration policy? We know people want to come here. That\u2019s not the question. We don\u2019t have an immigration policy because we don\u2019t have problems getting people. We know they want to come here. <\/line>I mean, everybody would like to have four cars or a big house. Well, okay. Let\u2019s pass a law allowing yourself to just go move into somebody else\u2019s. Just go move into somebody else\u2019s house and we\u2019ll let it happen just because you want it. You can come up with all kinds of analogies to this that illustrate the folly of it. One of the things that is not being contemplated in this piece of legislation, we all admit that we have an illegal immigration problem, regardless what you think about how to fix it, do we all agree, ladies and gentlemen, in class today that we have an immigration problem? All right. We want to solve it. <\/line>Part of the solution here is creating disincentives to it, and there are no disincentives. I mean, this piece of legislation is pretty much just the opposite. This is an incentive to keep coming in illegally. Now, a disincentive would be punishing those who facilitate it, like businesses, which is the core enforcement mechanism in Simpson-Mazzoli, and it went by the wayside. Three employers, corporations, were fined when they told us they were going to capture four million illegals this way. They never do enforce this stuff. <\/line>You have to deny them driver\u2019s licenses. You have to deny them in-state tuition to colleges and so forth. There are incentives to come here illegally. No system-wide punishment, free public school education, free medical care on the taxpayers\u2019 expense. I mean, we\u2019re incentivizing this, not disincentivizing. It\u2019s not complicated. What\u2019s lacking here is simply will and leadership. Nobody wants to. This is tough to lead on because you see a lot of votes out there, and even if they don\u2019t see votes in the illegals — and the Democrats do — they don\u2019t see votes in the illegals, they still are afraid of upsetting the Hispanic community that\u2019s here legally as a voting bloc which is larger than the African-American. They\u2019re larger than that. They\u2019re the #1 minority in the country. It\u2019s no accident that the swimmer, Ted Kennedy, is calling this the new civil rights movement. These Democrats and liberals look to the past, look back, look to the history and try to recycle their great glory days rather than moving forward. So it\u2019s no accident he\u2019s calling this illegal immigration bill he\u2019s got amnesty, whatever you want to call it, guest workers, the new civil rights movement. He\u2019s talking to the biggest minority in the country. <\/line>Here\u2019s Cory in Watertown, South Dakota, you\u2019re next on the program.<\/line>CALLER: Hi. An honor to be with you, sir, today.<\/line>RUSH: Thank you. Thanks very much.<\/line>CALLER: Well, I just had a point I wanted to bring up to one of your earlier callers. He said he couldn\u2019t stay in business without illegal immigrants. To me, that sounds like the same argument that was used about 200 years ago just before the Civil War. We can\u2019t keep our economy going without slavery. I mean, it\u2019s ridiculous. The idea that you can\u2019t keep your business going without having somebody you can pay less than minimum wage and not give them a decent living is absolutely ridiculous. It\u2019s indentured servitude. That\u2019s all it sounds like to me.<\/line>RUSH: No. No, no, no, no. (doing elite liberal impression) “It\u2019s opportunity. It\u2019s an opportunity, Cory, for people of the deprived places in the planet to come and experience and get their toes and feet wet planting the seeds of their American dream.” That\u2019s how it\u2019s portrayed. I\u2019m being cynical, you\u2019re absolutely right, but I\u2019m being cynical with you just as a way of agreeing with you. But George from Palm Beach, and I know I\u2019m making him mad out there, and I\u2019m not trying to do that, but it is a stretch to me when you say that your business can\u2019t operate without illegals.<\/line>END TRANSCRIPT<\/line><\/p>\n

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