{"id":25078,"date":"2011-05-19T05:45:23","date_gmt":"2011-05-19T05:45:23","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2020-02-05T10:29:57","modified_gmt":"2020-02-05T15:29:57","slug":"katie_wimps_out_hits_edwards_and_wife_with_some_people_say_hellip","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2011\/05\/19\/katie_wimps_out_hits_edwards_and_wife_with_some_people_say_hellip\/","title":{"rendered":"Katie Wimps Out, Hits Edwards and Wife with “Some People Say…”"},"content":{"rendered":"
RUSH: Rochester, New York. John, thank you for waiting, you\u2019re next.CALLER: Thank you, Rush, for taking my call.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You bet, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I\u2019d like to comment on the audio clip you played on Friday where Bob Shrum and Chris Matthews shamelessly politicized the Elizabeth Edwards cancer situation.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, yeah. Just a second here. Cookie, go grab that bite out of the archives. She can\u2019t get it immediately but you\u2019ve gotta hear this again. Since you referenced it I want people to hear it who might not have heard it on Friday. Go ahead, what was your comment about that?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, in that you will see that Mr. Shrum had the chutzpah to lecture us on how the Edwards\u2019 example represents a wonderful educational opportunity to understand and deal with the cancer situation.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s not what he said. He said the country learned more about cancer in one press conference and in one day —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — because of the Edwards press conference than anybody has ever known. See, the problem is the arrogance that I\u2019ve always described to these people or assigned to them, the arrogance and condescension. Only when they talk about something are experts talking about it. Everybody else is an idiot plebe and doesn\u2019t understand it. And so the country was able — whatever it is they happen to do or say, it is instructive, it is the only thing worth learning and so forth, and that comes from a conceit and from an arrogance, and I\u2019m glad you caught it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, as a cancer patient of several years, Rush, I fail to understand how going out and shaking a couple thousand hands a day, kissing babies and hugging strangers, when your immune system is weakened and you probably have a low neutrophyle and white blood cell count because of chemotherapy represents a good example. I mean my oncologist encouraged me to stay away from my own two grandchildren when they have the sniffles. They\u2019d be appalled if I was going to go out and wade into a sea of humanity during cough and cold season.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Here\u2019s that bite. Cookie got it quick. John, hold on the phone there.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is what he\u2019s referring to. This is Bob Shrum from Thursday night last week with Chris Matthews.<\/p>\n

SHRUM: Now America\u2019s different, and I believe that today, people got more education about cancer and how to deal with cancer and in one day than they have very often over a long period of time. Whatever you think of Edwards, whether people vote for him or don\u2019t vote for him, whether they vote for Obama or Hillary, there\u2019s going to be a tremendous education in breast cancer and cancer generally and how to deal with it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Which is sophistry to people like you who have cancer, and you said that you\u2019ve had it for years?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Four years now.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Four years, what did you learn that you didn\u2019t know from that press conference? The idea that anything was taught; the idea that people who have gone through this — my mother died of cancer. Edwards press conference taught me nothing about it. That\u2019s just the arrogance and condescension and it\u2019s basically saying that people like you, that whatever you\u2019ve learned, whatever you\u2019ve done and however you\u2019re dealing with it, doesn\u2019t matter. Edwards and his wife, they\u2019re the lesson teachers.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Rush, the statement you made on Friday hit the nail right on the head that most people when they\u2019re faced with this type of personal crisis have a tendency to turn to God and turn to their family and loved ones. And we also look upon every additional day as a gift, and we try to live it to the fullest surrounded by the people that we love. And I for one would not squander that gift on the campaign trail surrounded by strangers.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I also said that political people are different. You say that you turned to God, and I\u2019ve heard that from — my mother did, and people that I know that have gotten cancer turned to God. I got a couple sound bites here. I\u2019m going to use the occasion of your call to use these sound bites because I think that it demonstrates what I also said on Friday, that political people, their political quest is their religion. In a sense, it\u2019s what animates them, it\u2019s what motivates them, gives them drive, and it\u2019s that from which they take their identity.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Rush, I\u2019d like to say one thing. My problem is not with the Edwardses. They have the right to make any kind of personal decision they want.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s what I was going to say next, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

CALLER: My problem is with these liberal pundits who seem to see everything, including a personal crisis, through a prism of politics, and then they spin it for a political advantage. I think that is about the lowest form of political discourse there is.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You have hit the nail on the head, and we have some sound bites to demonstrate this very thing, as we did last Friday, starting with Howard Fineman and everybody else with the disclaimer, ‘You know, we really shouldn\u2019t talk about this, but they\u2019re going to get sympathy and the Edwards campaign is going to get a little kick from this,\u2019 da-da-da. They were all analyzing it, especially the press conference, in terms of how good it was politically. And of course Howard Fineman said, ‘It\u2019s a ten strike, they couldn\u2019t have done this any better,\u2019 as though political things are calculated. That\u2019s one of the problems with politics. People calculate their words; they calculate their actions; they plan \u2019em out. So if you\u2019re going to credit what the Edwards did as great political theater, it was just that. I found it abhorrent that everything like this in the political world is looked at through strictly a political prism. John, thanks much for the call. Let\u2019s start at the top, audio sound bite number one. This is what John just referred to me saying on last Friday\u2019s program.<\/p>\n

RUSH ARCHIVE: Now, let me say something that might be accused of cynicism. What is their religion? I don\u2019t doubt they\u2019re religious people, but we talk about this — political people are different than you and I, and, you know, most people when told a family member\u2019s been diagnosed with the kind of cancer Elizabeth Edwards has, they turn to God. The Edwards turned to the campaign. Their religion is politics and the quest for the White House, and it\u2019s not just with them, I mean that\u2019s part and parcel of political people.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, here\u2019s a little See, I Told You So. This is from 60 Minutes, Katie Couric interviewing the Edwards last night. She says, ‘Can you describe the decision-making process for me in terms of what we do now? ‘Do we stay in, do we suspend it temporarily, do I call the whole thing off, do we call the whole thing off,\u2019 how did that unfold with you?\u2019<\/p>\n

EDWARDS: She said to me, ‘This is what we believe in. This is what we\u2019re spending our lives doing. It\u2019s where our heart and soul is, and we cannot stop.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: A-hem, a-hem, a-hem. You heard this on Friday from moi before Edwards said that himself. Just confirmed my analysis of what political people who are different than you and I, how they look at things. He just made my point for me right there. But that, of course, is not our stopping point. Let\u2019s go back. Bill Schneider on a San Francisco TV station on Friday calling me a cynic for saying that Edwards was trying to jump-start his campaign.<\/p>\n

SCHNEIDER: Well, that\u2019s pure cynicism. You know, there will always be cynics in politics. This was a difficult decision which he reached in collaboration with his wife, and I think she will be an asset.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Everybody was out there looking at it this way. Everybody from the Drive-By Media was examining this in a political sense, just like when Tim Johnson had his cerebral hemorrhage. ‘Oh, no, what\u2019s this going to do to the Democrat majority,\u2019 they all fretted. ‘Oh, no! Is this going to be a problem with Lieberman not sure he\u2019s a Democrat, oh no!\u2019 That\u2019s all — well, not all, but that was the primary focus of the Drive-By\u2019s attention when poor old Tim Johnson had a cerebral hemorrhage. Now, here comes Katie\u2019s question that — well, I guess it\u2019s one of mine. Here\u2019s the exchange. I\u2019m not going to read the question. I\u2019ll play Katie asking the question.<\/p>\n

COURIC: Politics can be a cynical business. Some have suggested that you\u2019re capitalizing on this.<\/p>\n

EDWARDS: There\u2019s not a single person in America that should vote for me because Elizabeth has cancer, not a one. If you\u2019re considering doing it, don\u2019t do it. Do not vote for us because you feel some sympathy or compassion for us. That would be an enormous mistake. The vote for the presidency is far too important for any of those things to influence it. But I think every single candidate for president have personal lives that indicate something about what kind of human being they are, and I think it is a fair evaluation for America to engage in, to look at what kind of human beings each of us are and what kind of president we\u2019d make.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let\u2019s see. I think even Katie was taken aback in this next bite. Her question was, ‘I guess some people would say that there\u2019s some –‘ by the way, I made this point at the beginning of the program, and I know a lot of people are going, ‘Hey, you know what? She really hit them with tough questions.\u2019 Yes, but every tough question was prefaced with, ‘Some people are saying, some people say.\u2019 If I were Edwards, I would say, ‘Well, who? Who\u2019s saying it? You\u2019re saying it, aren\u2019t you, Katie? You\u2019re the one asking me the question. Why don\u2019t you have the guts to put it in your voice instead of blaming it on these other people. Who are these people?\u2019 That\u2019s how I deal with it. I get this question all the time, ‘Some people say that you\u2019re X.\u2019 I always say, well, who? Who are they? Anyway, you find out the journalist is not talking about anybody else, they\u2019re just talking about themselves. Anyway, Katie\u2019s question, ‘I guess some people would say that there\u2019s some middle ground. You don\u2019t have to necessarily stay at home and feel sorry for yourself and do nothing, but if given a possibly finite period of time on the planet, being on the campaign trail away from my children a lot of time and sort of pursuing this goal, it\u2019s not necessarily what I would do.\u2019<\/p>\n

MRS. EDWARDS: I\u2019ve often said that the most important thing you can give your children, wings, because you\u2019re not — you\u2019re not going to always be able to bring food to the nest. Sometime they\u2019re going to have to be able to fly by themselves.<\/p>\n

COURIC: They\u2019re six and eight. They\u2019re still baby birds.<\/p>\n

MRS. EDWARDS: They are still baby birds.<\/p>\n

EDWARDS: But they gotta start learning to fly. They aren\u2019t ready to fly on their own yet, but they gotta start learning.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whew. We are talking about six and eight-year-olds here.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: To Heartland, Connecticut, and Matt. Thank you for calling, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi. Mega dittos, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: How are you?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Very well. Never better.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Look, hey, a little comment on the John Edwards thing. I have just a little bit different take. It\u2019s almost like part of their strategy is to give Edwards some immunity from criticism much like the Michael J. Fox issue with stem cell research. If his wife is suffering from cancer, and we all pity her for that, you know, I think they might think it would generate enough sympathy to where people would be afraid or ashamed to try to criticize them or to contest the issues —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, look, I think it\u2019s true, I mean if you\u2019re Barack Obama or Mrs. Bill Clinton, how do you attack Edwards now? His wife has cancer. Simply you can\u2019t. Clinton, Inc., would find a way, but it just isn\u2019t going to happen. I can\u2019t believe that\u2019s a calculation. I can\u2019t believe they had a conversation, ‘Look, Elizabeth, I want to stay in.\u2019 ‘Yes, John, I think you should but now you can\u2019t be criticized.\u2019 Man, if that\u2019s part of the calculation, then I would be stunned, I would surprised. Michael J. Fox is a different situation. Michael J. Fox wasn\u2019t running for anything. Michael J. Fox was used by a couple of politicians, and the whole purpose of putting him in commercials with the symptoms of his Parkinson\u2019s on full display was to inoculate him from any criticism because he\u2019s a victim, there\u2019s no question. He can say whatever he wants politically and nobody could challenge it because you just don\u2019t. I mean, got to hold out hope for his cure and so forth. That\u2019s what I railed against, and, of course, caught a lot of grief over. Once you enter the political fray, I think you\u2019re subject to criticism. In time when Edwards starts talking about issues again, that criticism or disagreement, debating, whatever you want to call it, that criticism will commence again. But there\u2019s going to be a grace period here obviously.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Right, well, that\u2019s what I was getting at, Rush. I don\u2019t think it was at calculation or the main point of bringing her out publicly, but I think it\u2019s an ancillary aid to his campaign that at least if not jump-start it, at least maybe protect them, give them a little bit of time, buy him some time to get his issues out, maybe immune from criticism and see where it goes from there. In the end, I agree with you, I don\u2019t think that\u2019s going to save this whole campaign.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, nah, his campaign, if he\u2019s going to win this, I think he knows he\u2019s not going to get the nomination based on the sympathy of voters. The primaries are a long time down the road. I could be wrong about that. I don\u2019t know these people. I have a little different take on this. When I look at this, I cannot tell you the degree of sympathy I have, but it would probably surprise you why. This is just, to me, it is so obvious that there are just certain things missing in this guy\u2019s life that I better be careful here. But, look Matt, I appreciate the phone call.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: I must admit, I am still struck, even as Katie Couric was taken aback when the Edwards said that, ‘Well, you know, as far as spending time with our kids, you know, bird\u2019s got to learn to fly sometime. They have to be able to fly by themselves.\u2019 And Katie said, ‘Look, they\u2019re six and eight. They\u2019re still baby birds,\u2019 and Elizabeth Edwards said, ‘They\u2019re still baby birds.\u2019 Then John Edwards himself chimed in, ‘Well, but they\u2019ve gotta start learning to fly and they\u2019re not ready to fly on their own yet, but they\u2019ve gotta start learning to fly.\u2019 I tell you, as I said mere moments ago, that evokes in me a tremendous amount of sympathy. I\u2019ll just go ahead and tell you why, because it appears to me that there\u2019s one thing in this guy\u2019s life, and that\u2019s running for president. Without that, it doesn\u2019t seem he has a life or nothing in it that\u2019s worth spending some time on, anyway. It\u2019s sad. It\u2019s just very sad, to me.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let\u2019s go Slay the Nation. The host Bob Schieffer was talking to David Brooks, who is the conservative columnist at the New York Times — and Bob Schieffer said, ‘A very unusual occurrence in the campaign last week. John Edwards and his wife come out. She says that her cancer has come back, but he\u2019s going to keep on with the campaign. Were you surprised, David Brooks, that this became something people sort of talked about? I found that rather odd.\u2019 Bob, how could you…? They had a press conference, Bob. What\u2019s everybody supposed to do about it? Schieffer found it odd everybody was talking about it?<\/p>\n

BROOKS: I was saying I don\u2019t want to talk about a woman facing really sobering odds in a political sense. I thought, nobody is going to talk about that publicly. We\u2019ll all talk about it privately. But they — everybody is talking about publicly, the idea that this is —<\/p>\n

SCHIEFFER: About the impact that this is going to have.<\/p>\n

BROOKS: Yes, political analysis on someone\u2019s really horrible disease, and there\u2019s a new world where everything is open.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, he\u2019s right about that. He just sounds surprised at it. I have been warning you that this has been happening for many, many moons. MySpace, YouTube, everybody in the world out there wants to be known. But we\u2019re going to talk about it privately? What\u2019s the difference between talking about it privately and publicly? You can talk about it at your cocktail parties, but don\u2019t go on television to talk about it? Despite all of that the question from Schieffer still boggles the mind. ‘Were you surprised, David, that people sort of talk about it? I found that rather odd.\u2019 I mean, isn\u2019t the whole point that people were supposed to talk about it? Isn\u2019t that what a public press conference is for, is to provide news and generate conversation? I\u2019ll tell you, sometimes I sit here and I marvel at the blockheadedness of these people who claim to be the first and foremost guarantors of our Constitution. Now, on the Today Show today, Meredith Vieira interviewed Senator Kerry (who served in Vietnam) and his wife Teresa Heinz-Kerry, and Meredith Vieira said, ‘Hey, Teresa, you know to some extent what it means to be called a distraction because back in 2004 — you\u2019re a very outspoken lady — and sometimes your words were used against your husband, so what do you think the Edwards are up against here in terms of the political arena?\u2019<\/p>\n

HEINZ-KERRY: Elizabeth is facing terrible odds. She\u2019s a brave person. I\u2019ve lost people in my life suddenly and all I can say is, um — not just my late husband — not having had time to say go back was very hard.<\/p>\n

VIEIRA: Yeah.<\/p>\n

HEINZ-KERRY: And so I would make certain choices. Everybody makes their choice.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh. Okay. Teresa Heinz Kerry. I\u2019m interpreting this as she\u2019s saying she would do something different than what the Edwardses have done — and, by the way, I warned you people — well, I told you back in the 2004 campaign — when this woman shows up, she will not stop talking about her first husband, who was John Heinz, and there\u2019s Lurch sitting there. Lurch is sitting there. He\u2019s always sitting there when she does this. She referred to him as — by the way, this is the first time I\u2019ve heard her refer to him as ‘my late husband.\u2019 I\u2019m sure she said it before. Usually she just says, ‘my husband,\u2019 with Lurch sitting right there.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Kathy in Williamsville, New York. Glad you waited<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Welcome to the program.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Thank you. You know, I have five kids. I think these people are lunatics.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Who? Who? Who?<\/p>\n

CALLER: The Edwardses. They\u2019re going to spend their last — either one of them are going to spend their last — couple of years on the road giving stump speeches? It would be a blessing if they had five or six years, as a couple with their kids.<\/p>\n

RUSH: They might, they might. What she has, she\u2019s got a 20% survivability rate over the next five years. She might make it. There might be a —<\/p>\n

CALLER: She might, but then they\u2019re trying to —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a second. A miracle might happen. You don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

CALLER: But then her child is going to be ten or 11? And the feminist response to this, Rush, has been, ‘If she made any other decision, then it would be a setback for women.\u2019 I was shocked at that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a second. That doesn\u2019t surprise me but I\u2019d like to know who said it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, I heard Geraldine Ferraro\u2019s interview on Fox.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, then that\u2019s just another bunch of people looking at this through a political prism.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n

RUSH: She has become not a human being to them. She\u2019s become a symbol for the feminist movement. If she were to step back, it would set the cause of sisterhood back.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, that\u2019s what they said. They have been so messed up in the group, it\u2019s absolutely shocking.<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right, but don\u2019t the Edwardses have the right? It\u2019s their lives.<\/p>\n

CALLER: But —<\/p>\n

RUSH: If they want to spend — by the way, they\u2019re okay financially. What if they\u2019re taking the kids out of school and traveling with them? I don\u2019t know that this is true, but what if the kids are with them on the campaign trail?<\/p>\n

CALLER: I don\u2019t know. Six and eight-year-old kids, they want to play. They want to have a childhood. Do they want to be on a campaign trail? It\u2019s very —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, they may want to be with their parents now.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes, they should want to be with their parents, but little six and eight-year-old kids want to play and have friends and go to school and be normal, and there\u2019s going to be nothing normal about this.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Boy. I\u2019ll tell you what, you people are tough out there. That\u2019s all I\u2019m going to say.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I don\u2019t know. They\u2019re just a little bit off.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I tell you what: I really do believe this is an object lesson. I believe that your anger is not so much with the Edwardses, as it is the way that they\u2019re being portrayed by the media and all their decisions are being lauded as the smartest decisions that anybody could make, and that\u2019s being forced on you. They\u2019re not the ones doing it. It\u2019s their willing accomplices in the media that are doing it. Of all the people that have called here today to talk about this, I think most of their anger, if you really get down to the nut of it, is directed at the media — the Bob Shrums of the world, telling the ordinary, average Americans (and you average Americans know who you are), that you don\u2019t know diddly-squat and you\u2019re being lectured to about it, when many of you have faced these same circumstances and resent it. I think that\u2019s the large part of this. This is Wendy in Lansing, Michigan. Hi, Wendy. You\u2019re next on the EIB Network.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi, Rush. I just wanted to make a comment. I have had breast cancer at the same time my first husband had brain cancer, and I took care of him for eight years and we raised a young son during all this, and my sincere opinion is that the Edwardses are in denial and it\u2019s going to change over time. They did the same thing with Christopher Reeve and his wife, Dana. They jumped all over them and were holding them up as some kind of a token of bravery, and they\u2019d make comments like we\u2019re going to have, you know, more kids and just go on with life as usual — and if you noticed on interviews they had years later, things changed, and reality is going to hit, and I really think that they\u2019re going to pull out.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You do?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Or things are going to be changed. She\u2019s in denial. It\u2019s like this has just hit her full in the face and it\u2019s like she hasn\u2019t really even had time to think about it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, according to your theory how long is it going to take for this realization?<\/p>\n

CALLER: It depends on the person and it depends on the people around her who might be pushing her, like you said, you know, the media and other people are saying, ‘You can\u2019t quit. You have to keep going.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: Give me more. Pretend I\u2019m a lawyer leading a question. What is it that would force reality to smack them, in your thought. You have 30 seconds here, not to pressure you. What would force them to have reality smack \u2019em upside the head?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Oh, her kids, things her kids say. If she has to go on chemo or radiation how sick she gets. The whole thing is just going to come crashing down. I\u2019d be really surprised if it didn\u2019t. She\u2019d say, ‘You know, I had to make a choice.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: I can see why you say that, but I think you\u2019re dead wrong.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I think there\u2019s going to be something else that does it.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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