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RUSH: We have this 13-minute interview I did with Scarborough today on his show on PMSNBC. But to understand the beginning of the interview, you have to hear this. They had Erin Burnett on preceding me, ‘the Street Sweetie,\u2019 and she was upset that she was being ‘bigfooted\u2019 by me. This is what she said.<\/p>\n

ERIN BURNETT: I do want you to know, since you moved to 30 Rock I\u2019m just patents, you know? I\u2019m getting ‘bigfooted\u2019 by Rush Limbaugh today. <\/p>\n

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Mmm-hmm.<\/line><\/a><\/line>BURNETT: I like Rush and everything but, you know, I used to be a part of this show and now I just get the boot every day. All right. I\u2019m going to listen in to Rush. I want to hear what he has to say.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: All right, so they went to a break after that. I was wired up and listening because I gotta get ready for my own interview. So it was time for my interview, and here\u2019s how it went…<\/p>\n

BEGIN MSNBC AUDIO<\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Welcome back to Morning Joe, live from 30 Rock. Let\u2019s bring in Rush Limbaugh right now, a guy — you know, we\u2019ve got ‘radio talk show host,\u2019 but this guy actually helped create New Media and certainly helped elect a lot of us in 1994. Rush, thanks so much for being with us. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Nice to finally be with you, Joe. Good morning. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, greatly appreciate it. Let\u2019s start by talking about the Republican field. There was a story in the Washington Post this past week that a lot of — <\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute. Joe, Joe, Joe, before you go there, I have to say something. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yes? <\/p>\n

RUSH: I just heard Erin Burnett — <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Ha! <\/p>\n

RUSH: — sounding a little wifey worrying about you guys ‘bigfooting\u2019 her. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: (laughs) Yeah. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Erin, you said you\u2019re going to be listening. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah. <\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s a thrill for me to know that you\u2019re listening to me. I love listening to myself, and it\u2019s great to know that you\u2019re listening to me, too. Nobody can ‘bigfoot\u2019 you, Erin. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah. Erin is truly an international superstar. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Absolutely.<\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Have you had Erin on your show yet? <\/p>\n

BURNETT: (laughing) <\/p>\n

RUSH: Pardon me? <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Have you had Erin on your show yet? <\/p>\n

RUSH: No. You know I don\u2019t have guests. I don\u2019t have time. I\u2019m the expert, Joe. (laughter)<\/p>\n

BURNETT: (laughing) <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right. <\/p>\n

BURNETT: I\u2019ll have Rush on. <\/line><\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, well, you need to get Rush on your show. But, Erin, what do you think about Rush saying you were a little ‘wifey\u2019 today? <\/p>\n

BURNETT: ‘Wifey today,\u2019 he said? <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, kind of — <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, you were whining about all these guys ‘bigfooting\u2019 you, and then they invite you to the studio, and you act like, ‘I\u2019m not coming to your studio if you\u2019re going to ‘bigfoot\u2019 me.\u2019 <\/p>\n

BURNETT: Well, I got ‘bigfooted\u2019 out. That\u2019s what happened, Rush. It\u2019s a long complicated saga.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Erin, nobody can ‘bigfoot\u2019 you. You\u2019re too big; nobody can ‘bigfoot\u2019 you. <\/p>\n

BURNETT: (laughing) Thanks for believing in me.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The truth is that anybody who follows you, Erin, can\u2019t match what you\u2019ve done. So that\u2019s the way you need to look at it.<\/p>\n\n

SCARBOROUGH: That\u2019s big.<\/p>\n\n

BURNETT: Oh, thank you, Rush.<\/p>\n

<\/line>RUSH: You\u2019re welcome.<\/line><\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: That is big. You\u2019re getting that from ‘the\u2019 Mr. Excellence in Broadcasting right there. Erin Burnett is — <\/p>\n

BURNETT: You made my day. I\u2019m done now. I\u2019m going home. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah? All right. Very good. You can just quit your job. So, Rush, obviously Erin Burnett has drawn your attention. What do you like about her? <\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019m sorry, what was that? Who\u2019s drawing my attention? <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Erin Burnett! <\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh. Oh. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: You\u2019ve talked about Erin Burnett on your show a good bit before. What do you like about her? <\/p>\n

RUSH: She\u2019s fabulous on economics. She understands it, and she\u2019s not afraid to go against the conventional wisdom on economic thought. Fresh voice. It\u2019s great when you stand out against conventional wisdom, and she\u2019s obviously — I mean, I\u2019m not sucking up here. I\u2019m giving you an honest professional assessment. She\u2019s extremely educated and understanding of the economy, which most people aren\u2019t, and I think it\u2019s refreshing for people to be able to hear what she has to say against all the inertia of the conventional wisdom.<\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, what about this economy? You have the president over the past several years who obviously has been bogged down with the fight in Iraq, but, actually, we\u2019ve had a strong economy, and that\u2019s a message that hasn\u2019t gotten out in the past. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, the reason it hasn\u2019t gotten out is because we\u2019re in an election year and the Democrats don\u2019t want it to get out, and they have many allies — Joe, as you know in the Drive-By Media — who will do what they can to suppress the good news or to shave it in such a way so it\u2019s not going to have too much political impact. But the truth about the US economy on any given day of the week is that there has never been a country with this prosperity, this level of a standard of living, and the opportunity to improve on it for all citizens each and every day. We are truly blessed. When I make speeches, one of the things I often ask people is, ‘Have you ever wondered why in less than 230 years a population of 300 million people has become the most powerful, the most prosperous, the most affluent society in the history of human civilization?\u2019 The Europeans and others, the Asians, have been around thousands of years longer than we have. Human beings are no different from one continent to the next. We\u2019re all identical. What is it that sets our country apart from all the rest? <\/p>\n

There is an answer to this, and I think most people ought to be positive and upbeat about the opportunities that exist in this country. If you\u2019ve traveled internationally, you see real poverty. I did a troop visit to Afghanistan two-and-a-half years ago. We don\u2019t know poverty in this country like it exists around the world. I know things are relative, and there are people here that don\u2019t do nearly as well as others. But they have the opportunity to, if they\u2019re taught high expectations, if they\u2019re taught self-reliance and rugged individualism. Too many people have made them dependent. We\u2019ve got an ever-growing Nanny State. It\u2019s a bit of a concern. I actually think… You asked me about the presidential candidates. I actually think the election in \u201908 is not going to be so much about Iraq. I think it\u2019s going to be about the future of the country. I think by the time we get there, nobody is going to be able to saddle the president with defeat in Iraq — probably quite the opposite — and so it will drop off of the radar screen. The future of the country, mark my words, will be what the \u201908 presidential race is about. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Why is Rudy Giuliani doing so well? Here\u2019s a guy that\u2019s 15, 20 points ahead, and yet he\u2019s pro-choice, he supports gun control, he supports gay marriage — not exactly what Republican primary voters have embraced in the past. Why are they embracing Giuliani now? <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, what are his numbers, about 30% against the rest of the field? You know, there\u2019s still a big field, and it\u2019s spread out. I think it\u2019s still early, Joe. I think everybody is all hot-to-trot about this stuff. I don\u2019t think most people are really — I\u2019m talking about most voters — paying that close attention to this stuff. You can look at the ratings that all the debates are getting on television. They might get a million-and-a-half to two million people, but that\u2019s zits! That\u2019s nothing compared to what it\u2019s going to be once we have nominees actually get into the primary voting states. Once that starts, then I think the interest will peak a little bit. But, as you know, the real interest in the \u201908 presidential race is not going to happen \u2019til after Labor Day next year, especially with all these front-loaded primaries. You\u2019re going to have both nominees, perhaps, chosen by February or March. So that\u2019s going to be a tune-out factor. As to Giuliani: I think among the top-tier people, he sounds optimistic. He sounds funny. He sounds upbeat. He sounds casual. He\u2019s quick on his feet. The thing that I think people have to understand is that, even though the Republicans were in the House for all those years, \u201995 through last year, 2006, and have had the White House for the last seven, Republicans and conservatives still constantly feel on the defensive, feel like they\u2019re in the minority, feel like the Democrats are able to skunk \u2019em at every turn. It\u2019s not the case anymore, but you have so many years of experience of having that attitude, that Republicans want to win. They just want to win, and they want somebody to fight back. And I think the key to Rudy is that he has been leading that pack in running against Hillary already. He is really focused on her, and that is energizing the Republican base right now. They want to win more than anything else right now, and that\u2019s what elections are all about. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Is Mitt Romney a true conservative? Would you be concerned if Romney won the nomination? <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, let me tell you something. This ‘true conservative\u2019 business… Here\u2019s the one thing that concerns me. I\u2019m a Reaganite, a Reagan conservative. Conservatism is like 2 + 2. It equals 4. The one thing about this whole primary that upsets me is that some people are trying to redefine ‘conservatism\u2019 to accommodate some of these candidates or all of them, who don\u2019t necessarily fit the bill. Now, I will end up supporting whoever the nominee is, but I don\u2019t want conservatism to be redefined in the process. So whether or not Rudy has got these things that stray off the so-called conservative reservation, in the end, if he ends up being the nominee, those things, for the most part… I\u2019ve heard the evangelicals are a little concerned here about that, which is going to excite the Drive-By Media. ‘Splits\u2019 in the Republican Party always do. But I find it fascinating, Joe, as I watch these debates and I listen to the analysis afterwards, the focus — among the candidates, in fact, and some of the media — is, ‘Well, who is the real conservative here?\u2019 <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Mmm-hmm. <\/p>\n

RUSH: And the Republicans are arguing about it. You don\u2019t hear that on the Democrat side. You don\u2019t hear them say, ‘Well, who\u2019s the real liberal here,\u2019 or, ‘Who\u2019s the real progressive here?\u2019 The argument over ideas, the genuine intellectual debate over ideas, as always is the case, is happening on the right. Right now, the Democrats are simply repeating whatever MoveOn.org, Media Matters, or some of their lunatic fringe in the blogosphere tell them to say because it\u2019s still primary time. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: But you and I both know, though, one of the reasons Republicans are talking ideology, they\u2019re concerned about who the true conservative is — and we\u2019ve talked about this before — it\u2019s because Republicans haven\u2019t been acting like Republicans other than the past four or five years. You look at spending, the pork barrel spending. You look at the miserable job we did in Congress. Of course, people will say, ‘Well, Democrats have done just as badly.\u2019 In fact, there\u2019s a Wall Street Journal column saying as much today. But, you know, Republicans expect Democrats to spend a lot of money. Aren\u2019t we in a difficult situation now because [of] how badly we handled the federal budget and other issues when we were in charge?<\/p>\n

RUSH: That is an excellent point. This is why you have a morning show on television. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Hmph.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Because everyone thinks the \u201906 election was about Iraq and the Democrats getting a mandate to get us out. Had it really been about that, we\u2019d be out of Iraq. If the vast majority of the American people actually threw Republicans out to get out of Iraq, we\u2019d be out. They can\u2019t get us out of Iraq. They don\u2019t even have the votes to defund the war, which means public support for doing that really isn\u2019t there. The problem the Republicans had, Joe, is that you had President Bush in the White House who was the author of that spending. If you\u2019re John Boehner, if you\u2019re Denny Hastert, if you\u2019re the Senate minority leader, majority leader, in many cases you can\u2019t go against your own president. You can\u2019t go against ‘No Child Left Behind.\u2019 You can\u2019t go against letting Ted Kennedy write the education bill. The president sort of hamstrung them on this. But you\u2019re right: The perception of voters is that Republicans in Congress campaigned as conservatives, and got there and failed to govern that way, and then appeared to get a little arrogant with power, which is seductive. You\u2019ve experienced it and seen it, and written about it. So, I think that while there\u2019s plenty of blame to go around for the House Republicans, they\u2019re sort of hamstrung. It was much easier for Newt, for example, to be Newt bouncing off of Clinton. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Exactly. Yeah, I mean it\u2019s a lot easier to stand up [to] the president of the other party instead of the president in your own party, and when they start breaking your arms and saying, ‘Pass this education bill that Ted Kennedy co-wrote,\u2019 you don\u2019t have a whole lot of Republicans that are going to stand up. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, you can\u2019t stand up. You can\u2019t stand up against the president of your own party. I mean, that\u2019s suicide — especially when you\u2019ve got the Iraq war going on. You just can\u2019t do it. So they were kind of hamstrung. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: You know, the debate the other night, it was interesting that most of the (laughing) Republican candidates spoke more about Hillary Clinton than they did George Bush or the Republican Party. I\u2019m curious. Do you think a Hillary Clinton nomination is the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party, or could this end up being like the Jimmy Carter White House cheering for a Reagan nomination back in 1980? <\/p>\n

RUSH: I was speaking about conventional wisdom earlier, and there\u2019s too much conventional wisdom that Hillary is already elected — not just nominated, but already elected. There\u2019s too much conventional wisdom of this inevitability. She\u2019s got 49%, 50% disapproval numbers. That is more polarizing than any presidential candidate that has ever been elected in my lifetime. I\u2019d have to go back to American history to find anybody who was that polarizing a figure that got elected. I think this next year, this campaign, and this election is going to be so full of surprises that nobody will come close to even predicting what\u2019s actually going to happen. Mrs. Clinton, obviously, has the funny fundraising techniques and so forth. You know, what I find most interesting is that the Democrats are not going after her, on her side, in their primary. The Republicans are, because they know that they\u2019re going to end up running against Democrats in November of 2008. So, I don\u2019t think she\u2019s inevitable. I think she can be beat. The idea that she can\u2019t be, is ridiculous. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: So you think it\u2019s possible that we could, uh, have a President Barack Obama? <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, that… No. No, no, no. I think she\u2019s going to get the nomination, because they\u2019re not even opposing her on this. They\u2019re not even contending, in truth. I mean, they\u2019ve got a real problem. You know, despite the advances of feminism in this country, there\u2019s still an axiom: ‘You can\u2019t hit the girl,\u2019 and that\u2019s why Edwards is sending his wife out there, and that\u2019s why Obama is sending his wife out there to criticize her. The Republicans are not sending their wives out to do it. They\u2019re doing it themselves. They\u2019re not trapped by conventional wisdom and the old adages of political correctness. Another thing, Joe: The last senator that was elected president in this country was John Kennedy in 1960. So that\u2019s not the route to go, because senators have these huge egos. They don\u2019t delegate much. They have to know everything that\u2019s going on, and they end up being in too much hands-on control of things. It\u2019s not an executive position like being a governor is, or maybe running a cabinet post or some such thing. There are just too many things that argue against her inevitability here. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: All right. They don\u2019t call it the House of Lords on Capitol Hill for nothing. <\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) That\u2019s right. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: Rush Limbaugh. Thank you so much. Greatly appreciate you being here. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you, Joe. I appreciate it. It\u2019s always nice to speak to you — and thanks for, you know, over the last three years, for your support. I really appreciate it more than you know. Best to you. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thank you so much. <\/p>\n

RUSH: All right. <\/p>\n

SCARBOROUGH: We only support you when you deserve it, when people go after you and it doesn\u2019t seem right — and also I think, most importantly, you\u2019re a big Erin Burnett fan, and that means a lot around here.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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