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RUSH: Let me translate all of this for you. It\u2019s very simple. Pelosi is out there flailing around with version 5.0 on torture and what she knew; when she knew it. You can\u2019t look at that as an isolated thing. You got Pelosi flailing around on torture; you got Obama doing a 180 on the interrogation photos, and now you\u2019ve got Obama doing a 180 on detainees. We may keep \u2019em indefinitely and we may not try them. So Obama has employed the Bush policy. Can I translate all this for you? Very simple: Dick Cheney gets results. <\/p>\n

Greetings, my friends, and welcome. It\u2019s the Rush Limbaugh program, this the EIB Network and the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies. <\/p>\n

The headlines tell the tale. Pelosi says she\u2019s not complicit version 5.0, Wall Street Journal and the New York Times: ‘Obama Considers Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely Without Trial.\u2019 New York Times: ‘Unease Grows for Democrats Over Security.\u2019 This story is about the left losing its will on Afghanistan. Jack Murtha saying, (paraphrasing) ‘We\u2019re still waiting for a plan here from President Obama.\u2019 Chris Cillizza, DC Post: ‘The Left Rises up Against Obama,\u2019 coming to grips with Obama not being the liberal hero people thought that he was. Of course, a little aside there, if this was such an overwhelmingly liberal nation, why is Obama making all of these changes from his campaign to governing? I\u2019m going to get into that as the program unfolds, because there are answers to this. Then the next story, ‘Why doesn\u2019t Obama want us to see what\u2019s in the photos?\u2019 That\u2019s from McClatchy. And then this, the LA Times: ‘Democrats\u2019 Bill Would Bar Guantanamo Transfers to the United States\u2019? <\/p>\n

Dick Cheney gets results. This is why the Drive-By Media is begging and demanding and making fun of Cheney: shut up, Dick, shut up, go away, don\u2019t you understand you\u2019re hated? Don\u2019t you understand you have no credibility, Dick? Don\u2019t you understand you\u2019re destroying the Republican Party? Go away, Dick. They say the same thing to me. Dick Cheney gets results. This starts on Sunday. Here we are at Thursday. And the Bush policy on dealing with interrogations, and dealing with photos of interrogations and dealing with detainees is still in place. Dick Cheney gets results. <\/p>\n

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RUSH: Dick Cheney gets results. There\u2019s a headline in the Washington Post today, a story by Dan Balz, and I want to read the headline to you: ‘As Cheney Seizes Spotlight, Many Republicans Wince.\u2019 Really? Looks to me like it\u2019s Pelosi and Obama who are the ones wincing. This headline needs to be rewritten: ‘As Cheney Seizes Spotlight, Many Democrats Wince.\u2019 Let\u2019s get on with that news from the Wall Street Journal. ‘Obama Considers Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely — The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on US soil — indefinitely and without trial — as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held\u2019 at Club Gitmo. <\/p>\n

‘The administration\u2019s internal deliberations on how to deal with Guantanamo detainees are continuing, as the White House wrestles with how to fulfill the president\u2019s promise to shutter the controversial prison.\u2019 Now, there are a lot of things happening here. Obama campaigned to shut down Gitmo and release the pictures. He apologized for America, and then all of a sudden gets into office, and says, ‘I\u2019m going to close Gitmo January 2010,\u2019 but they didn\u2019t figure out how. He didn\u2019t know how. They had to come up with a way to do it and so Eric Holder goes over to Germany and starts asking our allies, ‘Hey, we\u2019re going to get rid of some of these terrorists. We\u2019re going to keep some ourselves. How many would you take?\u2019 <\/p>\n

And our allies said, ‘The hell with you! We\u2019re not taking any of them.\u2019 <\/p>\n

‘Well,\u2019 Holder says, ‘you wanted us to get rid of them to say you would love us again!\u2019 <\/p>\n

‘Well, yeah, but we don\u2019t want \u2019em here.\u2019<\/p>\n

So they don\u2019t know what to do. So now they\u2019re going to have to hold them ‘indefinitely without trial.\u2019 The American left is on fire today because this is the Bush policy, this detaining terrorists without trial! What is known is, by the Obama people now, these are deadly people. These are deadly, dangerous people. And they just can\u2019t release \u2019em. The rest of the world doesn\u2019t want them. Now, this is the story that I think Pelosi leaked. Rank-and-file Democrats ‘are growing uneasy over the Obama administration\u2019s national security policies.\u2019 I think this is Pelosi fighting back, \u2019cause she knows she\u2019s in the crosshairs now. When Steny Hoyer went out there and said, ‘Oh, yeah! We need to have hearings on Pelosi. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah!\u2019<\/p>\n

The Democrat infighting is on display now. This story is in the New York Times: ‘Congressional Democrats are voicing growing unease over the Obama administration”s national security policies, including the seemingly open-ended commitment in Afghanistan and the nettlesome question of what to do with prisoners held at\u2019 Club Gitmo. David Obey ‘said he would give the White House a year to demonstrate progress [in Afghanistan], just as he gave the Nixon administration a year to show progress in the Vietnam War inherited from the Johnson administration.\u2019 I read that this morning — well, actually I read that last night. I was up late doing show prep. David Obey from Wisconsin has been in Congress since the Vietnam War! He was sworn in in 1969! It\u2019s 2000. These people are there way too long. And he\u2019s saying, ‘Just as I gave Nixon a year, I\u2019m going to give The Messiah a year and get his act straight in Afghanistan!\u2019<\/p>\n

I\u2019m going to send David Obey a note, ‘How much time did you give Lincoln on the Civil War?\u2019 So anyway, the wheels are starting to come off here a little bit, because these were fundamental elements of Obama\u2019s identity during the campaign. These are the fundamental elements that attracted the left and emboldened them. Anti-American military: embarrass them, humiliate them, make them lose. Terrorists are the good guys! We shouldn\u2019t be capturing them. We are the reason they are terrorists. Now Obama is not releasing the pictures — although that, folks, there\u2019s more to that than meets the eye, too. He could have done this with an executive order. Instead, he has decided to oppose it at the Second Circuit, and I\u2019ll guarantee you that his buddy, Greg Craig, is going to file a half-assed brief and that these pictures are going to come out in about a month. <\/p>\n

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RUSH: Back to this New York Times story: ‘Some liberal Democrats are expressing outright opposition to continuing the operations in Iraq or Afghanistan, and are planning to vote against the spending bill\u2019 to keep the operations going.\u2019 Jack Murtha has a quote in this New York Times story: ‘We keep asking for a plan [from the administration]. I think the Democrats are nervous just because they haven\u2019t seen a plan yet.\u2019 The Murtha quote in this is, to me, a further indication that this story is a Pelosi leak, fighting back against the administration. Now, here\u2019s Chris Cillizza. ‘The Left Rises Up Against Obama\u2019 is the headline. Here\u2019s one of the key pull quotes from Cillizza\u2019s piece in the Washington Post: <\/p>\n

‘To be clear: it\u2019s not immediately clear that liberals are abandoning the president in droves. Rather, as happens with almost every president, elements of the base are coming to grips with the idea that Obama may not be the liberal hero that people thought he was when he was first elected,\u2019 and they\u2019re rising up over the photos; they\u2019re rising up over detainees being held without trials. They\u2019re rising up over expanding operations in Afghanistan. Tad Devine, a Democrat media consultant, says, ‘Politically, not reversing course could have had much worse consequences. I think it is the right move, and that makes it a smart move politically.\u2019 So once again the Democrats talking about the photos here, and they\u2019re looking at all of this within a political context, and everybody is saying, ‘What happened? What happened to change Obama\u2019s mind?\u2019<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll give you a couple possibilities in just a couple seconds. But I want to make an objection. Cillizza\u2019s piece here, ‘The Left Rises Up Against Obama,\u2019 ‘[E]lements of the base are coming to grips with the idea that Obama may not be the liberal hero that people thought he was when he was first elected…\u2019 If this was a 60% liberal nation, if all of this personal approval for Obama, this job approval, these 60% numbers, if all of it was based on liberalism and ideology, he wouldn\u2019t have a problem. He could do whatever he wanted to do here. I mean, we\u2019re being told that conservatism is dead and this is more evidence that it is not, and this is why I continue to implore people to start drawing contrasts between themselves, the Republican Party, and Barack Obama. <\/p>\n

Now, as to these pictures, these 44 photos that the ACLU is just up in arms about and that Obama has decided not to release, there are a bunch of theories about this. One is, ‘Well, Rush, you know, he can\u2019t release them \u2019cause he\u2019s got this trip to Egypt coming up soon, and he doesn\u2019t want to inflame the people in that part of the world, and he doesn\u2019t want to make it any more dangerous for him when he goes over there.\u2019 The other theory is that somebody (some adult somewhere) got to him and said, ‘Mr. President, you\u2019re not campaigning anymore. You yourself, Mr. President, pointed out when the photos of Abu Ghraib were released, how horrible this made America look and how at risk, at greater risk this put American soldiers on the battlefield, and that\u2019s why you wanted to bring \u2019em home and so forth. If you release these pictures, you are engaging in the same behavior you condemned.\u2019 <\/p>\n

That\u2019s another theory that\u2019s out there. The political theory is, ‘I gotta do this. I gotta be seen as protecting the troops! I mean, they\u2019re mine now. Afghanistan and Iraq are mine,\u2019 and like I told you during the campaign: these people are not going to saddle themselves with defeat here, folks. They\u2019re not going to lose this when they\u2019re in charge. They\u2019re not going to lose in Iraq when they\u2019re in charge. They\u2019re not going to lose Afghanistan when they\u2019re in charge. Not on purpose. They may lose it, but they\u2019re not going to do it on purpose. They\u2019re not going to saddle themselves with defeat here. But the third answer, the third possibility is the one that I like the best. The miniature timeline of these photos is that the US Second Circuit Court of Appeals, in the midst of a lawsuit, ruled that these 44 pictures must be released. <\/p>\n

When that happened a short time ago, the Eric Holder-led Justice Department did not object, and many people are asking, ‘Why the hell not? Why did the department not object?\u2019 And the reason for that is that the top leadership of the Department of Justice is nothing but a bunch of radical leftist ideologues. Holder didn\u2019t object — and a lot of people start asking, ‘Why didn\u2019t these guys…?\u2019 You know, they represent the United States of America. Their client is the United States of America! That\u2019s who the Justice Department represents. They represent the government. That\u2019s their client, and they\u2019re not looking out for their best interests to have these pictures released.<\/p>\n

So then Obama says he\u2019s thinking seriously about releasing the pictures, and the left goes (applauding), ‘Yay! Dude, way to go! Right on, right on, right on!\u2019 The adults in the country say, ‘No, this is not good. We\u2019re still on the battlefield, and these are not going to help our efforts in Afghanistan,\u2019 and they point out to Obama, ‘You own them now.\u2019 So what Obama did — and this is classic Obama — is Obama yesterday goes out… Let me get the sound bite on this, because it\u2019s later on in the roster. Grab, let\u2019s see, eight and nine. Let me see if we go to number ten. No, just eight and nine. Here\u2019s the first of two sound bites yesterday afternoon at a press conference, Obama talking to reporters about a flip-flop on the photos.<\/p>\n

OBAMA: The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals. In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, that\u2019s an interesting statement, because the left — you know, his base — has anti-American opinion. They don\u2019t like this country. Obama\u2019s militant base doesn\u2019t like this country and they thought he was one of them. And he may be, but his own political survival and instincts are going to trump that. He owns Afghanistan. His base wants anything that will inflame anti-American opinion out there. They thought that was what he was about. So he still has to placate these people. Now, yesterday instead of doing this flip-flop — here\u2019s the second sound bite, by the way.<\/p>\n

OBAMA: Let me be clear. I am concerned about how the release of these photos would be, uhh, uhhh, uhh, — would impact on the safety of our troops. Uh, I have made it very clear to all who are within the chain of command, however, uh, of the United States armed forces that the abuse of detainees in our custody is prohibited and will not be tolerated.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yada yada yada yada yada. Okay, so, what he did is he instructed the Justice Department to appeal the Second Circuit Court of Appeals decision to release the photos. He didn\u2019t have to go to the Justice Department. He could have issued an executive order. This is key. This is important to understand. The fact that he opposes the release of the photos means nothing, because all they have to do at the Justice Department — let me tell you how these things work. His legal counsel is Greg Craig, the lawyer representing Fidel Castro and the father down there in Cuba in the Elian Gonzales story. All they have to do is write a pitiful brief. All they have to do is instruct the Justice Department lawyers or even Greg Craig himself, in their appeal, to write a half-assed brief. <\/p>\n

When you write a half-assed brief, an incompetent brief, or one without passion, you\u2019re sending a signal to the judges that you don\u2019t care how they rule. So we\u2019ll see. If they file a half-assed brief on this and send a signal to the justices on the Supreme Court to uphold the Second Circuit, then the pictures will come out. I don\u2019t know how soon the appeal will be heard, but the bottom line here is that opposing the release. This is what\u2019s incredible. He says, ‘I oppose it!\u2019 He\u2019s acting like an innocent bystander here. He\u2019s acting like members of Congress after the subprime crisis: ‘Whoa, wha\u2019 happened? Well, we\u2019re not going to let this happen again! We\u2019re going to get whoever is responsible for this, and we\u2019re gonna nail \u2019em to the wall.\u2019 Obama is acting like, ‘I — I — I oppose the release of the pictures. I\u2019ll do what I can. (mumbling)\u2019 <\/p>\n

He could prevent this with an executive order. The statute in this case permits it. But he\u2019s not doing executive order. He\u2019s letting the Justice Department object and appeal all the way to the Supreme Court. If they file a half-assed brief, the judges look at the government\u2019s brief and say, ‘They really don\u2019t care about this. Okay, we\u2019ll side with the Second Circuit,\u2019 and the pictures will come out. So therefore, just because he opposes the release of the pictures does not mean they will not be released. So he\u2019s gonna, I think, get two birds with one stone here. And when the pictures come out, when the court rules against the government, he\u2019s gonna go on television and say, ‘I tried everything I could,\u2019 whatever the teleprompter tells him to say. But he\u2019s going to have it both ways, his buddies on the left are going to get what they want: the pictures released. And he\u2019s going to be able to say, ‘I stood up and opposed it,\u2019 when the truth is, an executive order will take care of this hook, line, and sinker once and for all right now, but he\u2019s not going that route.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: Yvonne in Tampa, Florida, you\u2019re next on the EIB Network. Hi.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Thanks, Rush. I just had a question. Do you think it\u2019s possible that President Obama came into office with a liberal mind-set that he was fed for years in the academia, no real-world experience, and he comes in with an agenda, and then all of a sudden he\u2019s confronted with the real world, good and evil?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, there are two answers to this. Let me answer this as David Brooks, David Frum, or others might answer it. We have to give Obama credit. When he does the right thing, we have to give him credit. This is the absolute right thing to do and we\u2019ve known all along that Obama was not the liberal crazy that everybody thought, he\u2019s a modern centrist governing from the center and therefore, Obama, this is a wonderful and great thing to do. We\u2019ve gotta lead the charge, Obama did the right thing. That\u2019s the pseudo-intellectual conservative view. The truth is he\u2019s incompetent. He is every bit the radical leftist he\u2019s always been. This isn\u2019t changing his mind about anything. What is happening, if anything, is that the import of his job, you know, he\u2019s got a very fine line to walk. I was just talking about this. His base loves anything that inflames anti-American opinion. During the campaign he inflamed anti-American opinion. As a senator he voted to inflame anti-American opinion. In his early days as president he ran around the world apologizing, inflaming and encouraging anti-American opinion. <\/p>\n

But now, I\u2019m telling you, somebody got to him, because, look, he followed his instincts. His instincts were to release the pictures. His instincts were to let terrorists go in the United States on the street. Somebody somewhere said, ‘Wait a minute, for your own self-preservation, you can\u2019t release these pictures. You\u2019re in the Senate, you\u2019re on the presidential campaign talking about how all this torture has ruined our image. Well, you\u2019re America now, pal. If you release the pictures, it\u2019s going to hurt you politically.\u2019 Don\u2019t mistake a political calculation — Karl Rove said the other night that this bunch spends two hours a night in the White House going over the day\u2019s polling results, to figure out what to do and where to be and what language to put on the teleprompter for The Messiah to repeat, two hours a night. So what has happened here, somebody said it\u2019s going to harm you. Remember, everything\u2019s about him. These pictures are gonna harm you. You want to harm America, you\u2019re taking care of that domestically. If you want to harm America, just keep doing your domestic policy and save your butt with these pictures. And don\u2019t release these prisoners. The Germans wouldn\u2019t take \u2019em, the French, Spain. No, to answer your question, he\u2019s not learning the truth. He\u2019s having to set himself aside in one area, and it\u2019s gotta be painful. I\u2019m sure Michelle is giving him grief up there in the residence like you can\u2019t believe.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: We\u2019re gonna go back here to the archives of our audio sound bites, and this is about the Gitmo detainees. Do you remember two days after Obama was immaculated, he had all these executive order signings, and one of them was about an executive order calling for the closure of Club Gitmo within one year? See if you remember this.<\/p>\n

OBAMA: What we\u2019re doing here is to set up a special interagency task force on detainee disposition. They are going to provide me with information in terms of how we are able to deal with the disposition of some of the detainees that may be currently at Guantanamo, that we cannot transfer to other countries, who could pose a serious danger to the United States but we cannot try because of various problems related to evidence in an Article III court. So this task force is going to provide us with a series of recommendations on that. Is that correct, Greg?<\/p>\n

CRAIG: That\u2019s right, and detainees policy going forward.<\/p>\n

OBAMA: And detainee policy going forward so that we don\u2019t find ourselves in these kinds of situations in the future.<\/p>\n

CRAIG: And (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

OBAMA: And that we are providing clear guidance to our military in terms of how to deal with it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: No teleprompter that day, so Greg Craig was the teleprompter, telling Obama what to say. So okay, we\u2019re going to close Gitmo, we\u2019re going to figure out how it never happens again, just like we\u2019re going to make sure there\u2019s never an economic boom again, we\u2019re going to make sure these kind of detainees are never detained again, we\u2019re going to have a policy going forward so we don\u2019t find ourselves in these kinds of situations in the future, then Greg Craig says, and there is clear guidance for the military as well, and that we are providing clear guidance for our military — what happened to that executive order. What happened? (laughing) Well, obviously still in force. <\/p>\n

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RUSH: Jeff in Minneapolis, you\u2019re next on the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Good afternoon, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: You know, I\u2019m just a truck driver, too, and I\u2019ve got an observation. This photo deal was done by a three-judge panel — or three-dud panel — on the circuit court. Isn\u2019t there nine on there? And if Obama was really serious about this, couldn\u2019t he appeal to the whole panel?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, you could ask for what\u2019s called an ‘en banc,\u2019 and you could ask for the entire panel to review it. And they may. They\u2019re going to file an appeal. Well, maybe they\u2019re not going to ask. I\u2019m going to have to check with my legal buddies to find out exactly what legal procedure they\u2019re going to do. All I know is, the Justice Department is going to appeal it. But the point is not which court hears it next. The point is, no court needs to hear it next. Obama could prevent the release of these photos with an executive order. And in fact, somewhere up on Capitol Hill today — I just got a brief glance at this earlier in the program — they were interviewing Lieberman. <\/p>\n

The crawl at the bottom of the screen, the Chyron graphic said that an amendment is being proposed to keep these photos from ever being released. So somebody somewhere in Congress, in the House or the Senate is very much up to speed on the possibility that these could eventually come out and they proposed an amendment to keep them locked up. None of this is necessary. Obama could keep those photos under lock and key with an executive order, and he didn\u2019t do that. So, you know, you could ask for the whole nine or 12-judge panel on the Second Circuit to hear it, but no court needs to hear it. <\/p>\n

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RUSH: You ask and I get the answer. We had a caller who wanted to know, ‘Couldn\u2019t Obama, the DoJ, ask for the Second Circuit to have the whole panel hear the appeal?\u2019 That would be en banc. The ruling of the three-judge panel was on September 22nd, last year. The Bush Department of Justice did seek an en banc review of the Second Circuit. That was denied. They denied that application March 12th this year. So the Bush administration did appeal. That was when on March 12th, shortly after that, when Obama, Holder, and the Department of Justice, decided not to appeal after the en banc hearing. So now the DoJ, they\u2019re probably out of time to ask the Second Circuit to reconsider, since it\u2019s already been two months since the Second Circuit denied reconsideration. And, you know, Gibbs said yesterday the new argument Obama supposedly thought up was actually already presented to the Second Circuit, or rejected. Gibbs said that yesterday in his press briefing, so now they have to go to the Supreme Court and they have to do that within 90 days of March 12th, which means they have to do that by early June. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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