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RUSH: I want you to hear Liz Cheney. We have her on Good Morning America today. She was on MSNBC this morning and CNN last night. The first one is Good Morning America. The West Wing writer, Lawrence O\u2019Donnell, was frothing at the mouth yesterday over Dick Cheney\u2019s speech. He and the former deputy assistant secretary of state for near-eastern affairs, Liz Cheney, were discussing torture on Good Morning America. Lawrence O\u2019Donnell said — talking about waterboarding here — ‘It is torture. This government\u2019s prosecuted people in the past for doing exactly this, but Dick Cheney believes it\u2019s not torture and that\u2019s essential to his position. If it was effective, why didn\u2019t they use it on the 500 people that Bush-Cheney released from Guantanamo, 75 of whom we know now have gone back into the terrorism business. That was a failure of the Bush-Cheney administration to keep America safe by processing people correctly at Guantanamo. Is that accurate?\u2019<\/p>\n

LIZ: Let me go through all of the inaccuracies in what you\u2019ve just said. First of all the question of whether or not enhanced interrogation is ‘torture\u2019 has been answered and it\u2019s been answered legally and it\u2019s not that Cheney or President Bush or anybody else ‘believed\u2019 it to be torture. The justice department of the United States —<\/p>\n

O\u2019DONNELL: (interrupting)<\/p>\n

LIZ: Lawrence, I let you go. <\/p>\n

O\u2019DONNELL: Are you afraid of waterboarding, Liz?<\/p>\n

LIZ: No. Waterboarding is not torture.<\/p>\n

O\u2019DONNELL: (pompous laugh)<\/p>\n

LIZ: You know what, though? I would refer you to Attorney General Holder\u2019s testimony —<\/p>\n

O\u2019DONNELL: Why has this country prosecuted people for waterboarding? <\/p>\n

LIZ: Lawrence?<\/p>\n

O\u2019DONNELL: Why did we do that?<\/p>\n

LIZ: Because they did a number of other things in addition to waterboarding. Attorney General Holder had a hard time explaining exactly what the legal definition is of waterboarding that would make it torture. We\u2019ve done it to our own people. Secondly, your argument about why didn\u2019t we do it to 500 other people proves our point. It was used in three cases when we had terrorists who had information about potential attacks on the United States of America. So the notion that somehow, you know, we should have waterboarded everybody? I\u2019m surprised that that\u2019s a position you\u2019ve taken.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s Liz Cheney demolishing a popular left-wing liberal, Lawrence O\u2019Donnell. I mean, I don\u2019t even need to translate what she said. It\u2019s just priceless. It is a blueprint for how all Republicans ought to not be on defense, not be nervous. Be confident of the things they believe in and have done policy-wise, and don\u2019t accept the BS premises put forth by liberals. I do want to expand on something. She talked about Attorney General Holder having a hard time explaining exactly what the legal definition is of waterboarding. This was actually quite good. It was a hearing this week. I think it was this week. It might have been last week.<\/p>\n

Louie Gohmert was questioning him and one other member of Congress. The name escapes me. Gohmert\u2019s a former appellate judge, and they zeroed in on Holder. Holder was destroyed in a Q&amp;A about waterboarding and ‘torture\u2019 in general. It boiled down to a position that the administration has taken — and that, by the way, is legal doctrine. It is a legal doctrine that was evolved during the Bush administration. The Obama administration has adopted it and continues to use it, and that is it can\u2019t be torture if the interrogators do not intend torture. If they\u2019re waterboarding somebody, for example, and they don\u2019t intend permanent harm or physical harm that has any lasting effect — psychological, whatever — if they do it then there\u2019s no torture. They pointed out to Holder that Navy SEALs go through it as training. <\/p>\n

A lot of military people go through it as training for if they are captured. And how to resist it. And so they asked him, ‘Are you saying we\u2019re torturing our own people?\u2019 And Holder had said, ‘No, because when we waterboard SEALs we\u2019re not intending to harm \u2019em.\u2019 Well, we weren\u2019t intending to harm Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. We were trying to get information from him! We weren\u2019t trying to harm him. So Holder was totally defeated on the whole notion of torture. This was not reported in the Drive-By Media. Lawrence O\u2019Donnell has no clue that it happened. He has no clue that Obama\u2019s own attorney general has been defeated demonstrably on the whole concept of waterboarding being torture.<\/p>\n

But Liz Cheney knew, and so she hit O\u2019Donnell with it. So the whole notion that waterboarding is torture is not even an official legal position of the Obama administration. It may be a political statement that he makes, you know, he says one thing, does another. Constantly. Like yesterday in that speech, he said, ‘I don\u2019t want to litigate the past eight years,\u2019 and then the rest of the speech of is berating the past eight years. Well, anybody can do that. I wonder if I could get away with that. ‘Folks, I don\u2019t want to spend the show today talking about Barack Obama. I really want to move forward. I don\u2019t want to mention Obama, and then spend the rest of the show talking about Obama. I wonder if I would be called a hypocrite? Barack Obama said yesterday, ‘I don\u2019t care about the last eight years. I don\u2019t want to litigate whatever happened. I want to move forward.\u2019<\/p>\n

And then he went backwards and ripped the Bush administration every opportunity he got, and nobody calls him on it. So all of these robot spokesman like O\u2019Donnell go out there and repeat the political position of waterboarding that Obama repeats with no knowledge — or if they have knowledge they selectively ignore it — of the legal position this administration\u2019s taken on waterboarding, which is not torture. Liz Cheney just demolished O\u2019Donnell on this. I mean, he started interrupting her trying to humiliate her with such questions as, ‘Are you afraid to call it waterboarding, Liz?\u2019 ‘No, no, no. I\u2019m not afraid,\u2019 and in the last half of the bite you don\u2019t hear him pipe up with anything. Let\u2019s move on to MSNBC to Scarborough\u2019s show today, and they have a discussion of ‘torture.\u2019 This was Liz Cheney with CNBC\u2019s Donny Deutsch, who came to broadcasting from the world of advertising. And Donny Deutsch, in typical uninformed, ignorant liberal arrogance, says, ‘Either your dad\u2019s lying or the president\u2019s lying. Who\u2019s lying?\u2019<\/p>\n

LIZ: Well, the president could, you know, resolve this this morning and —<\/p>\n

DEUTSCH: No! No! No! No! But he came out and he said, ‘I have looked at those intelligence reports.\u2019<\/p>\n

LIZ: Well, I think actually what he said was I\u2019ve seen ‘the\u2019 intelligence reports. So it\u2019s not clear to me he was actually referring to the same things my dad was but — <\/p>\n

DEUTSCH: Don\u2019t you think at this point —<\/p>\n

LIZ: — let me finish the answer on this, Donny.<\/p>\n

DEUTSCH: — he would have seen…? <\/p>\n

LIZ: No, no.<\/p>\n

DEUTSCH: This is a critical report! <\/p>\n

LIZ: I\u2019m sure — <\/p>\n

DEUTSCH: He would have seen one way or the other?<\/p>\n

LIZ: I\u2019m sure he has at this point. <\/p>\n

DEUTSCH: Yeah!<\/p>\n

LIZ: If you release the memos, then you and I don\u2019t have to have this argument about who\u2019s telling the truth. We could all look at it for ourselves, and that\u2019s where I think, you know, the administration\u2019s got a real problem. Because they haven\u2019t been able to explain to the American people why they\u2019re willing to release information that talks about how people were interrogated without putting out the information that shows what we gained from those interrogations.<\/p>\n

RUSH: See, the point of this is that Deutsch and MSNBC and Obama don\u2019t care about ending the debate. They want to politicize everything so that they can argue and discuss it politically, which means constantly criticize Republicans — Cheney particularly here — and what Liz Cheney is pointing out, ‘Look, Obama can settle this argument. Obama can settle it by releasing the memos my dad says he saw and if those modems don\u2019t say what my dad says he saw, then guess what? My dad\u2019s going to be perceived as wrong. But if those memos do say what my dad says then Obama is going to be the one that\u2019s misrepresenting things. But Donny, don\u2019t argue with me! Just have Obama release the memos. <\/p>\n

‘The truth is there. It\u2019s the White House that\u2019s preventing us from knowing it.\u2019 Now, she\u2019s got guts and courage here. (chuckling) I was her dinner partner one night out in Wyoming at a dinner party. It was a social thing; it was a political thing. But as you can expect political things ended up being discussed. And she was on fire. This woman is committed. She is informed. She is a warrior, a warriorette on this stuff. It\u2019s great that she\u2019s out doing this now. Somebody made a point today, I forget who, that we\u2019ve had all these presidential children, and the sons of presidents, you know, are dime a dozen. They\u2019ve come and gone, the daughters and so forth, and they\u2019ve always held out potential. <\/p>\n

But Liz Cheney happens to be the most worthwhile in terms of political asset to her father. She\u2019s vocal, intelligent and effective. This is so breathtaking to watch because it is a seminar on how any Republican appearing on any of these shows with any of these bumble-head liberals will handle \u2019em. Two more. Last night on Anderson Cooper 180, he said, ‘There are techniques which have been around. The Nazis used them, the Khmer Rouge used them, the North Koreans used them. So it\u2019s not as if terrorists were unfamiliar with these techniques. If they wanted to train for them — and I\u2019m not sure you really can train for torture or enhanced interrogation…\u2019<\/p>\n

LIZ: I would question the premise here. The legal memos are very clear, and this was a very carefully designed program, and it was a program that the CIA designed, that they had the lawyers look at to make sure that the line that divided sort of rough treatment from torture wouldn\u2019t be crossed. What the president has done is ensure that no future president can use any of these techniques. So that\u2019s a big step, and that\u2019s a step that I think really does endanger the country — and, frankly, if the president himself in the future is faced with a ticking time bomb scenario, it\u2019s not clear to me, you know, what exactly he will do even these reserved to himself the light to take action like these.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s another excellent point. She points out, first, that his premise is wrong. ‘Let me set you straight here, Anderson.\u2019 She doesn\u2019t say this but what we all know is: ‘Anderson, you\u2019re part of groupthink. You\u2019re part of the liberal conventional wisdom, and that\u2019s all you know. As a modern-day journalist, Anderson you\u2019re a walking cliche. Let me correct the premise of your question,\u2019 and then she says, ‘Even though Obama has reserved for himself the right to use these techniques, we still don\u2019t know that he will\u2019 because of the way he\u2019s politicized the issue. By the way, the member of Congress that was questioning Holder in addition to Louie Gohmert was Dan Lundgren, the former attorney general from California. It was a tag-team extraordinaire. When Gohmert called Holder on the contradictions that he was explaining about intent — what\u2019s torture, what\u2019s not — he was really twisted in knots. <\/p>\n

Holder tried to change the legal definition of torture in the middle of the interview or the interrogation of… Yeah, ‘the interrogation.\u2019 We\u2019ll call it that. It was a hearing. But they made mincemeat of him. It\u2019s not hard to make mincemeat of liberals. All you\u2019ve gotta do is don\u2019t cop to an attitude that they\u2019re better than everybody, or that you don\u2019t have a chance against them or they\u2019re all going to gang up on you because, folks, they\u2019re not grounded in any substance whatsoever. Liberalism is itself in quicksand. There is no truth behind it. Liberalism is a series of mirages and images and PR — and the truth does not need a majority to win, as Liz Cheney is illustrating. She\u2019s going on these programs solo, ganged up on by at least two and maybe more people who oppose her and she\u2019s wiping them out with something as simple as the truth. She often starts by refusing to debate their cliched, fallacious premises. Here\u2019s another example. One more before we go to the break. Anderson Cooper: ‘More than 100 people are known to have died in US custody, some that were ruled a homicide. If these were tightly controlled things, how come so many people are murdered in US custody?\u2019<\/p>\n

LIZ: Anderson, I think that your question is highly irresponsible.<\/p>\n

COOPER: Why?<\/p>\n

LIZ: Because you are contemplating things that aren\u2019t conflated. When somebody dies or is ‘murdered\u2019 in US custody then we are a great nation and we take the people who are responsible and we put them on trial as you\u2019ve seen happen throughout the last eight years. That is not the enhanced interrogation program, and to somehow suggest that those two things are the same I think willfully conflates something and ends up in a situation where we aren\u2019t able to take a truthful look at the last eight years as we go forward, because we are muddying the waters about what really happened.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Anderson Cooper\u2019s there saying, ‘What\u2019s my next question?\u2019 Yeah, he\u2019s trying to probably figure out what ‘conflate\u2019 means and so forth. But what she\u2019s talking about here, he asked this loaded question, a hundred people died in US custody. And what he\u2019s implying is it happened because we waterboarded them or we tortured them. She said, ‘No, no, no. Your question is fallacious. The premise is irresponsible — and whenever these kinds of things happen we have prosecuted.\u2019 All you\u2019ve gotta… We even prosecute the innocent, thanks to Jack Murtha. The Marines in Haditha. Congratulations, Liz Cheney, showing the way. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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