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RUSH: Grab audio sound bite number 20 very quickly. There was a White House press briefing today. You had Les Kinsolving ask the question. Now, they always leave these kinds of questions to Kinsolving, and the press corps thinks he\u2019s crazy, they like to portray him as crazy. The Press Secretary likes to portray him as crazy. He\u2019s a radio host at WCBM in Baltimore. He asked Gibbs, ‘Are you aware of published list of 31,000 scientists who opposed this idea of man-made global warming and 26,000 of them are PhDs?\u2019<\/p>\n

GIBBS: I don\u2019t doubt that, uh, uh, that th-there\u2019s such a list. Uhhh, Lester, I think there\u2019s no real scientific basis for the dispute of this.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The Universe of Lies! The White House Press Secretary, Robert Gibbs: ‘I think there\u2019s no real scientific basis for the dispute of this.\u2019 Mr. Gibbs, there\u2019s no scientific basis for the theory of man-made global warming. The people who do not believe it do not have to disprove it. The warmers have to prove the theory, and they can\u2019t. Their e-mails admit, essentially, ‘We\u2019ll hide the data. We\u2019ll destroy the data rather than let it get out, because if it gets out, we\u2019re screwed.\u2019<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let\u2019s go Great Falls, Montana. Doug, I really appreciate you holding on as long as you have. Thanks much.<\/p>\n

CALLER: You bet, Rush. Dittos from the world of reality. And in that vein, I wish you\u2019d refer to them as the ‘Disassociated Press.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: (chuckles)<\/p>\n

CALLER: But anyway, when you broke this last week, I called both my senators: The illustrious Max Baucus and Jon Tester\u2019s office. They\u2019re both on defense on cap and tax, and I thought I\u2019d try to push them, you know, let them know that this should play to their opinion. Both staffers, when I brought it up, dead silence. No reaction and then, ‘What are you talking about? What is that?\u2019 I tried to break it down for them a little bit, you know, using your expertise to help me a little bit, and both of them gave me the pat line. ‘I\u2019ll pass it on to the Senator when I get out of eighth grade.\u2019 You know, that\u2019s basically what I got.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, Mike, do you have the latest sound bite from Major Garrett asking a question of Gibbs? I had it here. I don\u2019t know the number but it\u2019s the last one. I want you to listen to this, Doug.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is what we\u2019re running into. Major Garrett asks Gibbs at the White House briefing, ‘Do you have any evaluation or comment on the controversy of hacked e-mails that suggest some of the underlying science may be in error or may have been altered in some way?\u2019<\/p>\n

GIBBS: I think Carol Browner addressed that last week. Uh… Uh… on the order of several thousand scientists have come, uh, to the conclusion that, uh, climate change is happening. Uhhh, I don\u2019t think that\u2019s, uh, anything that is quite, frankly — among most people — in dispute, anymore.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So The Universe of Lies is being led by the President of the United States and all who work for him. So if you think you\u2019re going to get something different out of two Democrat congresspeople, I wouldn\u2019t hold my breath.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Oh, I didn\u2019t expect it, but I thought I\u2019d poke \u2019em in the ribs anyway.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I appreciate it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: All right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s absolutely hilarious to watch this. Two distinctly different universes: The Universe of Lies and The Universe of Reality. And the office of the president of the United States, POTUS, is joined at the hip with a hoax. ‘I think Carol Browner handled that last week, 2,500 scientists believe…\u2019 They can\u2019t prove it. They cannot prove it — and for it to be science, it must be proved. Here is Tim in Mount Holly, New Jersey. Glad you waited, sir. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How you doing?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Good.<\/p>\n

CALLER: You read any basic geology text, and you can see we\u2019ve been going through 2.5 million years of glacial and interglacial periods. During the most recent glacial period, the Wisconsin period, glaciers covered 30% of the earth\u2019s land surface. And the sea level during the Wisconsin period, 18,000 years ago during the peak of it was 200 feet lower than it is now. We\u2019re currently in an interglacial period. Sea levels are rising, and I took a look at the barrier island systems in New Jersey because the sea level rises as the barrier islands continue to move landward, and I did calculations, and there\u2019s indication that sea level can continue to rise another 15 feet before we come back to sea levels that occurred during the last interglacial period 110,000 years ago. The lower part of the Garden State Parkway, 16 miles of it, is actually built on a relic barrier island system. The current barrier island system, which the cities of Wildwood and Avalon are on, are 3.75 miles seaward of this relic barrier island, and it will take the sea level to rise 15 more feet just to reach where the relic barrier islands were back 110,000 years ago. So sea level can continue to rise. It\u2019s been rising for 11,000 years.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! I knew if I hung in there long enough I\u2019d get to the nut. The nut is that sea levels have been rising in the interglacial period here for 11,000 years, and that\u2019s much longer than they\u2019ve been accusing us of warming up the planet with our exhalations.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s correct. That\u2019s correct. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, look, the climate, geology — all of this — is so, so, so complex. It\u2019s so complex we can\u2019t possibly understand it. We can study it, we can watch it, but to try to predict it and so forth — and to claim that we\u2019re somehow intimately involved in shaping it — is ridiculous. We don\u2019t have the power, we don\u2019t have the ability.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s true. And the reason the energy secretary wants to paint everything white is what happens is as the glaciers are more extensive on the land surface it increases the albedo of the earth which reflects more light and energy from the sun. As the glaciers melt the ground wants to heat up more. That\u2019s why he wants to paint everything white again so the glaciers in themselves melting — and they\u2019ve been melting for 11,000 years — we\u2019re not getting as much of the sun\u2019s energy reflecting back into space. So we\u2019re getting some warming, but it\u2019s just occurring because the glaciers are getting smaller. It\u2019s been going on for 11,000 years. Again these interglacial periods and glacial periods have been going on for 2.5 million years. So this is nothing new, and again, the Industrial Revolution hasn\u2019t caused this.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Of course. By the way, here\u2019s a scientist. You are a geologist?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Here\u2019s a scientist who does not agree with the IPCC. So you are among those who have just been swatted away like a gnat by Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman. ‘There\u2019s no serious disagreement with this theory. The Energy Secretary had this the other day: 2,500 scientists! I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any dispute of this.\u2019 Thanks for the call, sir. We\u2019ll be back after this.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

To the phones. Knoxville, Tennessee, another geologist. Betsy, you\u2019re on the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Good morning. No, good afternoon, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yes.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You\u2019ve been holding since this morning.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I\u2019m a geologist.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You bet.<\/p>\n

CALLER: A great day for geologists on your show.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Add to it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about scientific method and how it works, and how it is that in science, hypotheses are formulated based on data, advanced and tested, and nothing is ever proven in science. Things are ruled out. Science operates by ruling possibilities out. And that which has not been ruled out by experiment remains possible. This is something that these guys have never bothered to do. They have never bothered to formulate any hypothesis at all and test it with a view toward ruling it out. And that\u2019s what they need to do, and that is one of the basic reasons why what they\u2019re trying to do is not scientific.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Pure politics. In other words, what you\u2019re saying is we know that warming and cooling cycles happen.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s correct.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We have to first find out which are natural, and then, by finding that out, then we might be able to find out if we\u2019re contributing to it in addition to whatever is natural, right?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, we might be able to find out whether we\u2019re not contributing to it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, either way.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, it\u2019s not the same thing. My favorite example of what it is I\u2019m driving at was advanced by the historian and philosopher of science Karl Popper some number of years ago, and he formulated a thought experiment which he described as the white swan hypothesis. And what you do is you look around and you see a lot of white swans everywhere, and you come up with a notion that all swans are white. Now, how do you go about testing this hypothesis? You don\u2019t go around counting white swans. Because no matter how many white swans you count, there may be somewhere lurking a black swan that you didn\u2019t encounter. And so what you have to do is mount a search for the single black swan and try to disprove your hypothesis based upon evidence.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And so these guys are not doing that at all. <\/p>\n

CALLER: No! No. They\u2019ve come up with the idea that CO2 causes global warming and you can read the press releases and you can read the news stories, and they go around counting, ‘Well, look, CO2 predicts this, and CO2 predicts that, and CO2 predicts this other over there, and so it must be true.\u2019 And so what they\u2019re doing is mounting a search for white swans. They\u2019re not trying to rule their own hypothesis out. And that\u2019s the only way science ever advances.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, at this point, I think these e-mails indicate they know their hypotheses are already ruled out because they\u2019re making things up.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly. Absolutely. And I have been saying that for some time ever since the data began to come in and we began to see that the last decade has shown cooling. Every hypothesis they have ever advanced has been ruled out by that finding.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. And of course the sun has nothing to do with it. They also do not factor the sun at all. And they don\u2019t factor — <\/p>\n

CALLER: No.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — they don\u2019t factor precipitation.<\/p>\n

CALLER: No. And there are glacial cycles and Milankovitch cycles, there are lots of other possibilities, none of which they have ever attempted to address and try to rule out, which is what they have to do in order for it to be called science.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, here we have another scientist, in the opinion of Robert Gibbs and the White House, you\u2019re nothing more than a Macaca.<\/p>\n

CALLER: (laughing) Well, we have words for him, too.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) So how about that consensus of science? Am I right when I say there can be no science if all you have is a consensus of scientists?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, actually I have to take a little bit of issue with you over that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: No! No, no!<\/p>\n

CALLER: It\u2019s true, science is not about consensus, and we don\u2019t take a vote to figure out what is correct.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Our natural world —<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019m right, then. We have to go to a break.<\/p>\n

CALLER: However, what we do have in many different areas of science is a consensus of scientists that is based upon elimination of all known competing hypotheses. For example, the theory of relativity. Now, we don\u2019t regard it as proven but we know that there is no longer a serious competitor which has not been ruled out by evidence. So to that extent we can have consequences in science. Now, that doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s not open to challenge and it doesn\u2019t mean that it\u2019s final, but there are agreements among scientists which, for example, another example is the theory of global plate tectonics. Now, you won\u2019t find a great deal of serious disagreement amongst reputable geologists that that is the mechanism by which we see continents form and seabed disappearance and so forth. But that\u2019s not because we regard that hypothesis as proven. We have ruled out the competition.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Got it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Somebody may yet come forward someday.<\/p>\n

RUSH: This has been enlightening. I can\u2019t tell you how glad I am you called, Betsy. I\u2019m out of time. I wish I had a couple more segments, but I don\u2019t. Snerdley, see if she will give us her phone number so that we may consult her in the future should we have need to. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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