RUSH: No, Iran was part of the original axis.
CALLER: Right, right, right. Saudi Arabia without question I think.
CALLER: Saudi Arabia, the single most important country. Egypt and Pakistan. Whether it’s funding of terrorists, whether it’s, you know, the ideology of terrorism that goes back —
RUSH: Let me tell you something, let me tell you something. I agree with you.
CALLER: Oh, Okay.
RUSH: And I’m going to tell you I agree with you that those countries need to be dealt with.
RUSH: But, they have to be dealt with in a different way. The Saudis, let’s leave them out for just a second. The Egyptians as a nation are allies. Diplomatically they are allies, and the same with Pakistan, General Musharraf is one of our buds now, diplomatically. Now, they’ve got renegade population packs and terrorist cells in those countries just like they’re in Singapore, just like they’re in the Philippines and we didn’t put Philippines or Singapore on the list. Egypt is actually working with us behind the scenes to this very day to get rid of Yasser Arafat. There’s so many things that are intertwined when you get into the diplomatic relations between nations.
RUSH: Saudi Arabia, the first thing I said, I sent a note to Bill Buckley on September 12th, I said, “Damn, Bill, they’re all Saudis.” They were all Saudis, and he wrote back and said, “So?” His point was it’s not the Saudi government. Now, here’s the truth about Saudi Arabia. The Saudi Arabian royal family genealogical tree goes from here to China. There are so many people in the Saudi royal family, and a lot of them are funding terrorists. And other elements of the Saudi royal family are doing what they can to stop it, but they can’t because they can’t do it easily. We have no quarrel with the government and the royal family of Saudi Arabia, but there are some renegades in there, and it’s a tough thing. You put oil on top of that, and it makes it even tougher. But I think by now we should have been into Syria. I think by now we should have been on the border of Iran saying, “See what we’ve done so far? You’re next!” If we’re serious about this.
CALLER: Could I–
RUSH: Secondly? certainly, go ahead.
CALLER: Okay, I think President Bush gives good speeches. I listened to the speech in Colorado a few days ago. It’s an excellent speech. I think it’s very hypocritical though. One line which he uses a lot, that freedom and liberty are in the breast of every person and, you know, it’s bigotry to think that the Arabs aren’t ready for democracy, you know the line I’m talking about, right?
RUSH: Yeah, but —
CALLER: But my point is, my point is that’s so blatantly hypocritical because we don’t think that. I mean no American president, Democrat or Republican, but especially the Bush family, believes that these people, these Arab Muslim people are ready for democracy. It’s so hypocritical to say that we’re going liberate these people, this is in the interest of democracy, this is what everyone wants. The last thing that we want in Saudi Arabia or Egypt, or even Pakistan, which isn’t an Arab country but a Muslim country, the last thing we want is democracy because we’re afraid of what they’ll get.
RUSH: I agree with you, because we don’t have democracy here and I’d be scared to death if we did.
CALLER: I don’t mean direct, representative democracy —
RUSH: Well, that’s not what we’re talking about. Now, I’ve gotta stop you there. Let’s take this point by point. Number 1, Bush says that freedom is in the breast of every human being. I totally believe that because I believe in creation, I believe in the Spirit of God, and I believe the natural yearning of the human spirit is to be free. I’ve never known anybody in prison, unless they’ve been there for 20 years, who gets used to it and doesn’t want out. Most people that are captive in any situation, whatever it is, want out of it. The natural yearning is to be free. That’s all he’s saying. That’s what irritates people like Soros.
CALLER: We’re propping up the very regime which keeps these people in chains.
CALLER: The Saudi regime. The Saudi regime is not Saddam, I’m not going make that connection —
RUSH: We don’t have, now, wait a minute. You’re going to have to apply a little common sense to this. You know, you’re going to have to apply some degree of discrimination here. Discrimination used to be a good word. You have to be somewhat discriminating and have some reality woven into this. Bush is not speaking in platitudes. Now, when he talks about democracy in Iraq, he’s not talking about Thomas Jeffersonian democracy because there’s only one Thomas Jefferson. We are not so audacious as to believe that the miracle of America can be created overnight anywhere else in other cultures. We’re talking about self-determination.
If you want to get down to it, can I define this for you? Let’s just get it on the table, to hell with the people in Iraq, we want a leader that likes us, we want a leader of Iraq that likes us. We want a leader of a country in the Middle East that will be an ally of ours, a genuine ally that agrees with us on the horrors and the dangers of terrorism, and will make a start on getting rid of the cauldron of hatred that exists in that region that produces these kids that grow up to be Mohammed Attas. We want a sympathetic leader. Nobody is arrogant enough to believe that just because we have shown up and gotten rid of a bad guy, that those people are going to start emulating James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington. Would be great if they did, but nobody is that stupid.
Now, the fact is that you keep throwing Saudi Arabia in here, you have to understand something, and I think this is a point that the left can be made very vulnerable on, and that’s oil. At the same time they say we shouldn’t go anywhere for oil — no war for oil that involves Halliburton — oil is the fuel of freedom, oil is the fuel of the world. Whether it’s right or wrong, whether it’s good or bad, it has evolved that oil is the fuel of freedom. If you make oil off limits or if it is blown up, we got problems. So the reality is, we need it, we are a growing economy, our people want to be a growing economy, we need to find ways to get more of it, not cut back, not conserve, not find alternatives because we can’t sustain a growing economy that way and our people have expectations. There’s plenty of oil out there and there are other ways that we’re going to be able to replace it in time, necessity being the mother of invention. Well, guess what? 80% of the known reserve happens to be sitting underneath the bathroom of the Saudi royal family. Well, that requires certain relationships. It’s a case of priorities.
Now, on the one hand, Al-Qaeda has roots in Saudi Arabia. It’s also attacking Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaeda is also committing acts of terror against the Saudi royal family and bin Laden’s original aim was to wipe them out because he’s got a burr up his butt about something that happened to him and his family. It’s all personal with him and the Saudis. They’re not quite in the same boat as we are. Iraq is a different situation, Pakistan is a different situation, all these countries are different situations, just like World War II. You know, we were attacked by Japan and we went to Germany. We were all over the world in World War II and this is one of those things. We know what the objective here is, the objective is to find ways to eliminate the world of terrorists. Now, we’re never going to fully do that, but you’ve got to beat these cells and you’ve got take out these networks and do what you can, and it’s a long process. Bush knows it’s going to survive whatever would be two of his terms, if we’re serious about it, and it’s a worthy objective, I think. I truly, truly do, always have, especially what we’re doing in Iraq. But like you, I’ve got questions and problems. I know what’s going on in Egypt, but the Egyptian government is per se not doing it, the religious Imams are doing it in Egypt and we respect religious freedom and all this. It’s very, very complicated. And that’s why to focus on Bush as some sort of a dunderhead or hypocrite or what have you, is totally missing the point here of what’s at stake and the objective that we all should have. Anyway, I’m way long here, Darren, I appreciate the call.
RUSH: Here’s Cameron in Buckley, Michigan. Hi, Cameron, welcome.
CALLER: Good afternoon, Rush.
CALLER: Rush, both John F. Kerry and George W. Bush are members of Yale’s Skull and Bones. This is a pretty known fact that’s being ignored in the media. It’s not like a fraternity —
RUSH: It hasn’t been ignored by me, and I have been pilloried for bringing it up.
CALLER: You compared what was going on with the Iraqi detainee abuse to a Skull and Bones initiation. Think about this for a second. Our president, and the man who is running against him, have both put themselves through bizarre torture rituals basically, something that any normal human would consider degrading, they put themselves —
RUSH: I don’t know. I mean that’s just a rumor about what goes on. I don’t know what goes on.
CALLER: No, it’s documented as to what goes on.
RUSH: You mean they torture each other in these initiations?
CALLER: They put themselves through humiliating situations. My point is, if the president and the man who is running against him have put themselves through this kind of abuse willingly, would they even care about what’s going on in Iraq with the detainee, not prisoner abuse.
RUSH: Let’s see, how can I play this for the liberal website that’s monitoring this?
CALLER: By the way, I’m not a liberal, it’s just a sleep depravation. I’m not a conservative, either.
RUSH: No, I understand.
CALLER: It’s constipation.
RUSH: (Laughing.) I believe that. You know, I think that this is a straw dog that comes up, it’s part of the conspiracy population that exists out there. It’s like (whispering) Did you know that every person elected president in this country has been a mason? And do you know that they all have been witnessed having dinner with David Rockefeller and the Trilateral Commission? And I’ve never subscribed to it, and I’m sure Skull and Bones regrets that Kerry was admitted.
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