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RUSH: Here’s Kimberly in Sarasota, Florida. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Mega dittos, Rush, I’m a mother of five Rush Babies.

RUSH: Thank you. Thanks very much.

CALLER: Hey, Rush, for Veterans Day coming up, the day to celebrate and honor the troops that make this country so great, my husband and I were surprised and thrilled when our son came home with a big smile on his face to tell us that we would be honored at a Veteran’s Day celebration at his elementary school. But, Rush, that surprise turned to shock when he asked us what the word ‘conscientious objector’ meant, because those are the people his class would be honoring.

RUSH: You’ve gotta be kidding! They’re going to do this on Monday, right? Because Veterans Day is actually Sunday.

CALLER: They’re actually going to do it on Friday.

RUSH: They’re going to do it tomorrow.


RUSH: So in your son’s class they’re going to honor conscientious objectors?

CALLER: Yes, sir. My son will not be among them because my husband and I have made the decision to pull him out of that class for the day and put him in a more patriotic class, but when we discussed this with the front office the principal gave us word that she couldn’t tell the teacher what to teach.

RUSH: That’s not true. That’s gutless. That’s absolutely gutless. You don’t have a leader in your principal. Tell us the name of this school.

CALLER: It’s called Bay Haven Elementary.

RUSH: Bay Haven Elementary.

CALLER: Yes, sir.

RUSH: Bay Haven Elementary.

CALLER: Yes, sir, and he’s in the fourth grade.

RUSH: Fourth grade, honoring conscientious objectors in Sarasota, Florida, is it?

CALLER: Yes, sir.

RUSH: Sarasota Florida, the Bay Haven Elementary school honoring what class?

CALLER: Well, he’s in fourth grade so it’s a contained classroom.

RUSH: Yeah, one subject, one hour, another subject the next hour?

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: So are you just going to pull your son out of the Bay Haven Elementary school in Sarasota, or are you just going to have him go to a different class?

CALLER: We’re going to have him go to a different class for that day.

RUSH: How can you do that? I didn’t know that the Bay Haven Elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, would allow you to just take your kid out of a class one day and put him in another class just for the day.

CALLER: Well, my husband and I are both veterans. We come from a long line of veterans, and our children are very patriotic, and love this country and the freedoms they have.

RUSH: No, I understand that. But if the principal at Bay Haven Elementary in Sarasota, Florida, will not intercede in what the teacher is teaching, then how come the principal at Bay Haven Elementary in Sarasota will allow you to take your kid out of that class and put him in another fourth grade class, just for the day?

CALLER: Well, I suppose because we asked for it to be done. I don’t know. I don’t know, Rush.

RUSH: Well, that’s a hopeful sign, the principal will not — at Bay Haven Elementary, Sarasota — intercede in what the teacher is teaching. I mean, do you realize the power? The teacher could teach anything, and the principal won’t stop it?

CALLER: I understand.

RUSH: — yet the principal will let you take the student out of there? This isn’t a hoax is it? You’re telling us the truth?

CALLER: No, sir, I’m telling you the truth. The children have made stars and banners and all kinds of neat things. They have a band coming for the veterans and his class is making a banner of conscientious objectors.

RUSH: Whew. Okay. I guess they think conscientious objectors were part of… (sigh) conscientious objectors didn’t even become part of the military.

CALLER: (laughing) I understand that, Rush.

RUSH: You sure you’re not hoaxing? I’m going to have hoax paranoia now for a little while. You sure you’re not hoaxing me on this?

CALLER: I’m your favorite letter carrier from Sarasota Florida, and I would never, ever.

RUSH: So you swear on your word of honor?

CALLER: Yes, sir, I did.

RUSH: That this is not a parody and not a hoax?

CALLER: Yes, sir. I do.

RUSH: I appreciate that. I feel for you. This would infuriate me.

CALLER: That’s why teaching your children at home is so important.

RUSH: It is. Kimberly, thanks very much.

CALLER: Rush, thank you.

RUSH: You bet.


RUSH: By the way, if you missed Kimberly’s call, they’re celebrating Veterans Day tomorrow at the Bay Haven Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, and in her son’s fourth grade class, that class, in honoring America’s veterans, is spending time honoring this nation’s conscientious objectors. Kimberly, as a mother, is very distressed about this, and has pulled the kid out of that class. So we went to the website, and on November 15th, the Bay Haven Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, has scheduled ‘a Thanksgiving skit and lunch together.’

Can we assume, based on the conscientious objector honor that they are going to bestow tomorrow in the fourth grade, that the fourth grade at Bay Haven Elementary for Thanksgiving will also represent gonorrhea in the Thanksgiving skit? Well, I ask that because, the multiculturalists say that syphilis and gonorrhea (‘gong-o-rrhea,’ as my health teacher in high school called it), and all these other sexually transmitted diseases, environmental destruction, sexism, racism, all this, was brought over by the white Europeans, when the country was being discovered and founded. So I wonder if the fourth grade at Bay Haven Elementary in Sarasota, will honor gonorrhea in the Thanksgiving skit. ‘Thanks for helping us, white guys. Sorry about that burning sensation you’re feeling,’ but we must honor gonorrhea.


RUSH: Here’s Paul in Wichita, Kansas. Hi, Paul. Nice to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, Rush. It’s good to talk to you. I want you to know, first of all, that I have listened to you since August 1st, when you first started. I was drafted in 1968. I served as an infantry officer in Vietnam and bleed red, white, and blue. My call is about the principal in Sarasota, Florida, that conscientious objectors should not be lumped together with draft dodgers. As conservative as I am, there were many conscientious objectors that served in the military — were drafted, and some joined — as medics and other noncombatant roles. A conscientious objector is not necessarily one that avoided the war, but just wouldn’t carry a weapon. So depending on how that principal portrays the conscientious objector —

RUSH: No, no, no, the teacher. The principal says, I don’t really know. The principal says, ‘I can’t tell the teacher what to teach.’

CALLER: Well, depending on how the teacher portrays the conscientious objector role, ‘if they take it from that they did serve, they served proudly, and they served well,’ then it’s not a bad thing. If he said the conscientious objector or he or she say, that conscientious objectors are the same thing as draft dodgers, then I agree in pulling the children out and not having anything to do with it.

RUSH: Yeah, most people, when they hear conscientious objector, think: people that went to Canada.

CALLER: That’s exactly the reason that I decided to give you a call and was lucky enough to get through, because not all conscientious objectors were that way. In fact, I think there were some conscientious objectors that are very, very highly decorated, either in World War II or Vietnam. So it just depends on how that teacher portrays it.

RUSH: Well, I hope the teacher is informed —

CALLER: I do, too.

RUSH: — on this aspect of it that you are. The knee-jerk reaction people have to it is that we know what’s going on in schools today, and we know how anti-military much of the country has become, and we do know that the public school system is… Well, let’s say it’s ‘aiming a little left.’

CALLER: Well, I agree with that. But, again, I think we should make sure that we don’t lump all people in, just like all Democrats aren’t bad.

RUSH: Aaaaaah, maybe.

CALLER: Not all liberals are bad.

RUSH: Aaaaaah, well…

CALLER: Conscientious objectors —

RUSH: Some of them are not bad people, but they’re dangerous because they’re so wrong.

CALLER: Well, yeah. But not all conscientious objectors were draft dodgers.

RUSH: All right. Well, I appreciate you calling, Paul.

CALLER: Well, that’s all right. Again, I appreciate listening to you as I drive down the road. You keep me awake and keep me informed.

RUSH: Thank you, sir, very much. It’s a pleasure to have you on the program.


RUSH: Doug in San Antonio. Welcome to the EIB Network, hello.

CALLER: Hey, Rush.

RUSH: Hey.

CALLER: Great to talk to you.

RUSH: Thank you very much, sir.

CALLER: I just wanted to add a little bit more information to Paul’s call. The first conscientious objector was a gentleman named Desmond Doss, and he fought in Okinawa in World War II, and he ended up receiving the Medal of Honor for saving about 75 fellow soldiers’ lives and risking his own to do it. I feel that the term has a history of honor, and it’s been hijacked, so to speak, by —

RUSH: There’s no question about that. I certainly hope that this fourth grade class tomorrow is going to focus on this aspect of conscientious objectors.

CALLER: Yeah, I would hope so, too.

RUSH: That’s the Bay Haven Elementary school in Sarasota, Florida. You know, let me ask you a question. You sound very informed on all this. When you hear that on Veterans Day, a fourth grade class is going to be taught about conscientious objectors, even with how informed you are, does it make sense? I was never taught about conscientious objectors during Veterans Day celebrations in school, was never taught about them.

CALLER: Yeah, I would be very suspicious of it. I kind of have a background in this because Desmond Doss is a Seventh-day Adventist, and I’m a Seventh-day Adventist, and a lot of Adventists served in the military as conscientious objectors. Not all of them do. I served in the military, and I was not a conscientious objector. But it is something that we’re very familiar with because —

RUSH: No, no. I understand all that. The anti-war crowd on the left is known for existing in schools and universities and places like this, which is why, when we all heard this term, the mother called and said she’d pulled the kid out of the class because he was going to be taught about conscientious objectors, it was the natural connection to make.

CALLER: Absolutely.

RUSH: I appreciate, Doug, your calling, thank you so much.

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