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RUSH: Grab audio sound bite number 20 very quickly. There was a White House press briefing today. You had Les Kinsolving ask the question. Now, they always leave these kinds of questions to Kinsolving, and the press corps thinks he’s crazy, they like to portray him as crazy. The Press Secretary likes to portray him as crazy. He’s a radio host at WCBM in Baltimore. He asked Gibbs, ‘Are you aware of published list of 31,000 scientists who opposed this idea of man-made global warming and 26,000 of them are PhDs?’

GIBBS: I don’t doubt that, uh, uh, that th-there’s such a list. Uhhh, Lester, I think there’s no real scientific basis for the dispute of this.

RUSH: The Universe of Lies! The White House Press Secretary, Robert Gibbs: ‘I think there’s no real scientific basis for the dispute of this.’ Mr. Gibbs, there’s no scientific basis for the theory of man-made global warming. The people who do not believe it do not have to disprove it. The warmers have to prove the theory, and they can’t. Their e-mails admit, essentially, ‘We’ll hide the data. We’ll destroy the data rather than let it get out, because if it gets out, we’re screwed.’


RUSH: Let’s go Great Falls, Montana. Doug, I really appreciate you holding on as long as you have. Thanks much.

CALLER: You bet, Rush. Dittos from the world of reality. And in that vein, I wish you’d refer to them as the ‘Disassociated Press.’

RUSH: (chuckles)

CALLER: But anyway, when you broke this last week, I called both my senators: The illustrious Max Baucus and Jon Tester’s office. They’re both on defense on cap and tax, and I thought I’d try to push them, you know, let them know that this should play to their opinion. Both staffers, when I brought it up, dead silence. No reaction and then, ‘What are you talking about? What is that?’ I tried to break it down for them a little bit, you know, using your expertise to help me a little bit, and both of them gave me the pat line. ‘I’ll pass it on to the Senator when I get out of eighth grade.’ You know, that’s basically what I got.

RUSH: Well, Mike, do you have the latest sound bite from Major Garrett asking a question of Gibbs? I had it here. I don’t know the number but it’s the last one. I want you to listen to this, Doug.


RUSH: This is what we’re running into. Major Garrett asks Gibbs at the White House briefing, ‘Do you have any evaluation or comment on the controversy of hacked e-mails that suggest some of the underlying science may be in error or may have been altered in some way?’

GIBBS: I think Carol Browner addressed that last week. Uh… Uh… on the order of several thousand scientists have come, uh, to the conclusion that, uh, climate change is happening. Uhhh, I don’t think that’s, uh, anything that is quite, frankly — among most people — in dispute, anymore.

RUSH: So The Universe of Lies is being led by the President of the United States and all who work for him. So if you think you’re going to get something different out of two Democrat congresspeople, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

CALLER: Oh, I didn’t expect it, but I thought I’d poke ’em in the ribs anyway.

RUSH: Well, I appreciate it.

CALLER: All right.

RUSH: It’s absolutely hilarious to watch this. Two distinctly different universes: The Universe of Lies and The Universe of Reality. And the office of the president of the United States, POTUS, is joined at the hip with a hoax. ‘I think Carol Browner handled that last week, 2,500 scientists believe…’ They can’t prove it. They cannot prove it — and for it to be science, it must be proved. Here is Tim in Mount Holly, New Jersey. Glad you waited, sir. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How you doing?

RUSH: Good.

CALLER: You read any basic geology text, and you can see we’ve been going through 2.5 million years of glacial and interglacial periods. During the most recent glacial period, the Wisconsin period, glaciers covered 30% of the earth’s land surface. And the sea level during the Wisconsin period, 18,000 years ago during the peak of it was 200 feet lower than it is now. We’re currently in an interglacial period. Sea levels are rising, and I took a look at the barrier island systems in New Jersey because the sea level rises as the barrier islands continue to move landward, and I did calculations, and there’s indication that sea level can continue to rise another 15 feet before we come back to sea levels that occurred during the last interglacial period 110,000 years ago. The lower part of the Garden State Parkway, 16 miles of it, is actually built on a relic barrier island system. The current barrier island system, which the cities of Wildwood and Avalon are on, are 3.75 miles seaward of this relic barrier island, and it will take the sea level to rise 15 more feet just to reach where the relic barrier islands were back 110,000 years ago. So sea level can continue to rise. It’s been rising for 11,000 years.

RUSH: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! I knew if I hung in there long enough I’d get to the nut. The nut is that sea levels have been rising in the interglacial period here for 11,000 years, and that’s much longer than they’ve been accusing us of warming up the planet with our exhalations.

CALLER: That’s correct. That’s correct.

RUSH: Well, look, the climate, geology — all of this — is so, so, so complex. It’s so complex we can’t possibly understand it. We can study it, we can watch it, but to try to predict it and so forth — and to claim that we’re somehow intimately involved in shaping it — is ridiculous. We don’t have the power, we don’t have the ability.

CALLER: That’s true. And the reason the energy secretary wants to paint everything white is what happens is as the glaciers are more extensive on the land surface it increases the albedo of the earth which reflects more light and energy from the sun. As the glaciers melt the ground wants to heat up more. That’s why he wants to paint everything white again so the glaciers in themselves melting — and they’ve been melting for 11,000 years — we’re not getting as much of the sun’s energy reflecting back into space. So we’re getting some warming, but it’s just occurring because the glaciers are getting smaller. It’s been going on for 11,000 years. Again these interglacial periods and glacial periods have been going on for 2.5 million years. So this is nothing new, and again, the Industrial Revolution hasn’t caused this.

RUSH: Of course. By the way, here’s a scientist. You are a geologist?


RUSH: Here’s a scientist who does not agree with the IPCC. So you are among those who have just been swatted away like a gnat by Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman. ‘There’s no serious disagreement with this theory. The Energy Secretary had this the other day: 2,500 scientists! I don’t think there’s any dispute of this.’ Thanks for the call, sir. We’ll be back after this.


To the phones. Knoxville, Tennessee, another geologist. Betsy, you’re on the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Good morning. No, good afternoon, Rush.

RUSH: Yes.


RUSH: You’ve been holding since this morning.

CALLER: I’m a geologist.

RUSH: You bet.

CALLER: A great day for geologists on your show.

RUSH: Add to it.

CALLER: Yes. I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about scientific method and how it works, and how it is that in science, hypotheses are formulated based on data, advanced and tested, and nothing is ever proven in science. Things are ruled out. Science operates by ruling possibilities out. And that which has not been ruled out by experiment remains possible. This is something that these guys have never bothered to do. They have never bothered to formulate any hypothesis at all and test it with a view toward ruling it out. And that’s what they need to do, and that is one of the basic reasons why what they’re trying to do is not scientific.

RUSH: Pure politics. In other words, what you’re saying is we know that warming and cooling cycles happen.

CALLER: That’s correct.

RUSH: We have to first find out which are natural, and then, by finding that out, then we might be able to find out if we’re contributing to it in addition to whatever is natural, right?

CALLER: Well, we might be able to find out whether we’re not contributing to it.

RUSH: Yeah, either way.

CALLER: Well, it’s not the same thing. My favorite example of what it is I’m driving at was advanced by the historian and philosopher of science Karl Popper some number of years ago, and he formulated a thought experiment which he described as the white swan hypothesis. And what you do is you look around and you see a lot of white swans everywhere, and you come up with a notion that all swans are white. Now, how do you go about testing this hypothesis? You don’t go around counting white swans. Because no matter how many white swans you count, there may be somewhere lurking a black swan that you didn’t encounter. And so what you have to do is mount a search for the single black swan and try to disprove your hypothesis based upon evidence.

RUSH: And so these guys are not doing that at all.

CALLER: No! No. They’ve come up with the idea that CO2 causes global warming and you can read the press releases and you can read the news stories, and they go around counting, ‘Well, look, CO2 predicts this, and CO2 predicts that, and CO2 predicts this other over there, and so it must be true.’ And so what they’re doing is mounting a search for white swans. They’re not trying to rule their own hypothesis out. And that’s the only way science ever advances.

RUSH: Well, at this point, I think these e-mails indicate they know their hypotheses are already ruled out because they’re making things up.

CALLER: Exactly. Absolutely. And I have been saying that for some time ever since the data began to come in and we began to see that the last decade has shown cooling. Every hypothesis they have ever advanced has been ruled out by that finding.

RUSH: Right. And of course the sun has nothing to do with it. They also do not factor the sun at all. And they don’t factor —


RUSH: — they don’t factor precipitation.

CALLER: No. And there are glacial cycles and Milankovitch cycles, there are lots of other possibilities, none of which they have ever attempted to address and try to rule out, which is what they have to do in order for it to be called science.

RUSH: Well, here we have another scientist, in the opinion of Robert Gibbs and the White House, you’re nothing more than a Macaca.

CALLER: (laughing) Well, we have words for him, too.

RUSH: (laughing) So how about that consensus of science? Am I right when I say there can be no science if all you have is a consensus of scientists?

CALLER: Well, actually I have to take a little bit of issue with you over that.

RUSH: No! No, no!

CALLER: It’s true, science is not about consensus, and we don’t take a vote to figure out what is correct.

RUSH: Okay.

CALLER: Our natural world —

RUSH: I’m right, then. We have to go to a break.

CALLER: However, what we do have in many different areas of science is a consensus of scientists that is based upon elimination of all known competing hypotheses. For example, the theory of relativity. Now, we don’t regard it as proven but we know that there is no longer a serious competitor which has not been ruled out by evidence. So to that extent we can have consequences in science. Now, that doesn’t mean it’s not open to challenge and it doesn’t mean that it’s final, but there are agreements among scientists which, for example, another example is the theory of global plate tectonics. Now, you won’t find a great deal of serious disagreement amongst reputable geologists that that is the mechanism by which we see continents form and seabed disappearance and so forth. But that’s not because we regard that hypothesis as proven. We have ruled out the competition.

RUSH: Got it.

CALLER: Somebody may yet come forward someday.

RUSH: This has been enlightening. I can’t tell you how glad I am you called, Betsy. I’m out of time. I wish I had a couple more segments, but I don’t. Snerdley, see if she will give us her phone number so that we may consult her in the future should we have need to.

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