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RUSH: Here’s Victor in Stockton, Missouri. Victor, glad you waited. Welcome to the EIB Network.

CALLER: How are you today, Rush?

RUSH: Just fine. I couldn’t be better.

CALLER: I have a question for you.

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: Some years ago you were belittling the idea that there was an internal conspiracy to overthrow the Constitution and the government, and I’m wondering if you still have that opinion.

RUSH: Of course I do. An internal conspiracy to overthrow the Constitution or the government? Yeah, I’m still dubious of that.

CALLER: Mmm-hmm.

RUSH: You have evidence?

CALLER: Well, I just look at the way things are going, and I look back to when Reagan was president, and he was engaged in the large military buildup during that time. I just have a theory that the people who were behind the Soviet Union at that time, decided they were not going to ride that horse to victory, so they decided they’d have to take another approach, and I think they figured out that the best way to do it is to go after the biggest, baddest guy on the block, and the only way to do that was do it politically, and I think they set their sights on the Democratic Party, which was in power at the time, at least in Congress.

RUSH: Who’s the biggest, baddest guy on the block? Us?

CALLER: The United States, yeah.

RUSH: The United States. Yeah. (mumbling)

CALLER: If they take over a political party, and ride that horse to victory, then I think they would have a much better shot.

RUSH: Now, wait. That’s going a little bit far. I don’t think that these internal conspiracists would have to take over a party. I think they already have one.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: See, here’s the thing, Victor. I do think in this country that there are plenty of people — whether they’re conspiring? You and I are conspiring right now in talking about this. I know what you mean by conspiracy. I don’t think, for example, that there’s a media conspiracy. I don’t think there has to be a media conspiracy. They all think alike as it is. They don’t have to get together in order to figure out what they all think and believe and are going to say. It just is the way they are.

CALLER: You don’t think there’s a Joseph Goebbels somewhere with a printing machine that sends out all the propaganda they put out that drives the media?

RUSH: Of course they have people at the headquarters that fax up talking points to pundits that go out there and so forth, but that’s not being done in the closet. That’s out in the open. Everybody knows that’s going on.

CALLER: Well, the ones you can see I think are in the open.

RUSH: Oh, there aren’t any secret talking points going out there. There’s no way to keep that stuff secret.

CALLER: You don’t think the George Soroses of the world would just love to get control of the Congress of the United States?

RUSH: I think George Soros would love to reshape this country. I think a whole bunch of liberals would like to destroy the institutions and traditions that have made the country great, and rebuild it in their own vision, yeah. But that’s happening right in front of our eyes, Victor. It’s not a conspiracy.

CALLER: Well, I don’t… See, I’m not really sure whether using the Leninist model or they’re using a Nazi model, but I see the tactics of — of —

RUSH: Wait. The Leninist or Nazi model, did you say?

CALLER: Yes, because I see them using the same tactics that —

RUSH: It’s neither one. They’re using the Stalinist model.

CALLER: Right! There you go. There you go.

RUSH: You know, Lenin and the Nazis went out and murdered their opponents in mass murder. We haven’t gotten to that point yet here.

CALLER: Yeah, but they didn’t get to power until they had convinced the people to vote them in.

RUSH: Yeah, but the Democrats have had power all these years and they have not engaged in mass murder of conservatives and so forth. It’s not going to happen.

CALLER: I don’t think that Democrats would do that.

RUSH: It’s not going to happen.

CALLER: But I think… See, I have a difference between what I consider a liberal and what I consider a Marxist, or socialist, or a Stalinist.

RUSH: Well, that’s a very fine line when you start parsing. Liberals and socialists, you can hardly see the space between ’em, Victor!

CALLER: Well, there’s a difference between a socialist à la Sweden and a socialist à la Marxist or Hitler.

RUSH: A socialist in Sweden doesn’t have any power. They’re neutral, so they’re just destroying themselves.

CALLER: Exactly, but the idea is if they could get power and they could have control of the US Armed Forces, then they could reshape the world any way they want to.

RUSH: They already did that. Bill Clinton controlled the Armed Forces for two terms.

CALLER: Let me ask you one more question, too.

RUSH: Yeah?

CALLER: Do you think that we can solve this immigration problem without first solving the abortion problem? In other words, does fifteen million Mexicans replace 45 million Americans?

RUSH: I think you’ve probably heard me make this point. I think one of the reasons the proponents of illegal immigration are so adamant here is we have aborted 40 million would-be Americans.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: The bodies need to be replaced. Another reason is for no other reason than Social Security taxes!

CALLER: Yeah, I understand that point because I heard you say that before, and I agree with that, but I look at our society as being a consumer-based society, and when you take that many people out who would already be having children now — and we have need for manpower in the Armed Forces. We have need for manpower in all kinds of different fields, and I’m wondering what we would be doing if we didn’t have notices 15 million Mexicans taking some of these jobs, and serving in the Armed Forces for that matter?

RUSH: Well, it’s a what-if. It’s an ‘if’ question, and ‘if’ is for children. What is, is, and we have aborted 40 million. So you can ask, ‘What if we hadn’t?’ Now, you can maybe look at that argument and say, ‘Okay, we’re going to stop all these abortions,’ but you gotta be realistic.

CALLER: I don’t think you can get rid of Roe v. Wade, but I think there has to be an effort somewhere along the line.

RUSH: I think it’s in the process of working. I think it’s changing people’s minds and hearts and having a greater respect for life. But these battles, Victor, have always been fought. There have always been different ideologies, political parties and partisanship that has roiled the country since the beginning of time, and the beginning of our founding. The Civil War, that period was… That period, people here alive today would not believe it if they really dug deep and found out the kind of divides and the things that politicians and public figures were saying about each other. This stuff is always happening. You’re always going to have a battle for control because this is all about power. If there are a bunch of conspiracies out there that we don’t know about, Victor, they’re pretty pathetic. They shoulda taken over by now. If they’re as powerful as we all assign them to be — well, you assign them to be — we ought to all be in jail now anyway. We ought to all have our freedom gone. George Soros should be representing this country at the UN. But George Soros lost the election in 2004. His candidate went down in flames. How does that happen? Well, you can’t say, ‘Well, the conspiracists did that just to set us up and get us to relax.’ If they were that all powerful, they would have already taken over. They would have neutered the US military.

Most of this stuff is happening right out in the open, and it’s tough enough to get some people to believe what they’re actually seeing, when you explain it to them. That’s tough enough. If you start getting into all this garbage, what’s going on behind the scenes that we can’t see and these giant puppet masters pulling the strings of the people that we can see, you’re going to lose everybody, Victor. Nobody is going to want to believe that in the first place. Life in this country is too good. There’s too much affluence — well, not too much, but there’s great opportunity for affluence in this country. We’ve never had a better economy than we have today. We’ve never had a better future than we have here. Everybody is feeling pretty pumped up because we stopped a huge, horrible piece of legislation. How’d the conspiracists let that happen? You know, that shouldn’t have happened. That was the Comprehensive Destroy the Republican Party Act of 2007, and somehow, the people staved it off. One more thing about this abortion business, Victor. For all this talk about ‘jobs Americans won’t do’ and all of that, one of the things that I think is going on in this country and has been for the longest time is a softening of too much of our young population. We’re treating them as babies into their twenties and thirties. We make excuses for them when they still live at home with mom and dad when they’re 35.

We are afraid to raise kids and toughen them up. Everybody feels entitled to something — too many people, not everybody. Too many people think they’re owed something because they’re Americans, that just by being born and getting up and being Americans every day, there’s something valorous in that. I think we can overcome all these problems that we have with the constant reinforcement of a conservative culture and a morality base, and occasionally being able to stop or check the advances that the liberals are trying to make. You talk about conspiracies? I’ll mention it in a way that you will relate to it: if you want to talk about people that were hidden, who are doing things that we don’t see — well, I see ’em. I don’t see them but I know they’re there. All these little Ivy League liberals come out of these schools, and they go there for one reason: Parents and family went there. They’re legacied in there, and they have an objective, and that objective is to run the government at every level, from appointed positions, highly level appointment positions to just menial, bureaucratic, career positions. But their goal is to get hold of as much of the fabric of the government of this country as possible in a way that insulates them from elections, i.e., the judiciary, and the academic professors. Those people have tenure. You can’t do anything about them, no matter how outrageously bad and incompetent and poisonous they are.

So liberals have done a good job of insulating themselves. We know they’re there and we know what they’re doing. We may not see them in the process of doing it, but we know they’re there. Conservatives on the other hand, they don’t want to run government. They want to get it out of our way. We want to get government as small and as responsible as possible. We’re not raising our kids to go to the Ivy League and come out and wear these striped pants and these stupid looking diplomat shoes that they all wear. They look like robots coming out of there! They get themselves embedded in the state department, the CIA and the Pentagon, and when new presidents don’t clear out as much of the chaff as they can, and they’re there, and they can destroy future incoming administrations, like this happened to Bush. He didn’t get rid of enough of these people because of the ‘new tone.’ But there are reasons and there are explanations for all of this, and you have to be honest about it because that’s the only way you can fight it and oppose it, which is what we’re doing. I’ll tell you what, I feel pretty optimistic about all this. The last 19 years, try to think where we would be had there not been the evolution of this new media. If you want to think about something, think about that, because that did happen, and it’s a great illustration of how it can continue to happen. There are all kinds of reasons to be optimistic out there. You’re an American, and you’re not going to give up.

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