RUSH: Charles in Philadelphia, you are up next on the Rush Limbaugh program. Nice to have you here.
CALLER: How you doing, Rush? Nice talking to you today. Listen, the reason why I’m calling you is I am a combat vet from Vietnam — 3rd and 187th, 101st Airborne, Que Son Valley. I am the guy who called in artillery and air strikes, so I’m telling you now that there is someone on the ground. And I called my congressman. He’s a Republican.
RUSH: Wait, wait. You mean…? Wait, wait, wait, wait. When you say “someone on the ground,” you mean somebody on our side?
CALLER: Yeah. Yes.
RUSH: We got boots on the ground no matter what they’re saying? Yeah, okay.
CALLER: Yes, there’s an American on the ground there.
RUSH: I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha.
CALLER: Also I called my new congressman, new Republican congressman, the other day, and I told him that I wanted us out of Libya now, because for years we have been accusing Khadafy of killing Americans. Well, these rebels that he is fighting now supported his regime in killing Americans. Also, the other thing that I see, and I see no one talking about it…
RUSH: Wait, wait, wait, wait. I’m just playing devil’s advocate. How do you know the rebels supported his regime killing Americans?
CALLER: Well, they’ve been living there.
RUSH: Well, they might not have had a choice.
CALLER: Well, you can’t say that about all of them.
RUSH: You mean they could have moved?
CALLER: Well, okay. I’ll give you that, Rush. I’ll give you that.
CALLER: Okay, I’ll give you that. You know? But here was my other point to my congressman — and I’m finding it hard to believe that I do not see other Vietnam vets speak out because when Democrats have “humanitarian” wars like Korea, Vietnam, it’s my people that fight them. But these rebels, they have military training. Look at these guys on these anti-aircraft weapons. Look at the ones with the RPGs.
RUSH: I’ve seen them.
CALLER: There is definitely training. So now I’m thinking Khadafy may be right in saying he’s fighting Al-Qaeda.
RUSH: Well, I don’t think there’s much argument that that’s happening.
CALLER: Okay, so now —
RUSH: I don’t know how widespread Al-Qaeda is in the rebel movement, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that they’re part of it, that they’re there.
CALLER: Yes. So now supposedly we’re gonna bomb — we are bombing — Libya to help these rebels.
CALLER: We still don’t know who they are.
RUSH: The best way to describe these rebels is the people in the east are the main suppliers of terrorism in Iraq. That’s who the rebels are. There’s a terrorist pipeline from eastern Libya to Iraq.
RUSH: That’s who these rebels are.
CALLER: Oh, I agree.
RUSH: And now they have inadvertently become allies because we’ve decided Khadafy’s gotta go because that’s Obama’s route to reelection.
CALLER: And then I told my congressman, let’s look at who’s going to lead America into war here in Libya. Number one: You got Clinton. He’s a draft dodger, sexual bullier. Number two: You’ve got Harry Reid who was saying the American soldier was defeated in Iraq. Number three: You have Pelosi, who calls the children of the Nazi fighters Nazis. I mean, are these the people we want to follow into war? At least when I was in Vietnam, Richard Nixon supported me — and that’s one thing I can say.
RUSH: Well, you know, this is an interesting observation that you have. It is kind of discombobulating that these are the people leading this. (interruption) It’s why we’re not at “war.” (laughing) It’s why. It’s exactly right. That’s why they will not say we’re at war. That’s why they’ve come up with this “kinetic military action” business. ‘Cause I know what old Charles is saying here. We basically have a cadre of anti-war activists running this show, yeah. I wouldn’t argue with that. But these anti-war activists are trying to make it look like they’re doing anything but wage war.
It’s not even them. They’re passing it off to the UN, or to NATO. “This is humanitarian. We’re in a humanitarian engagement here. Gotta get rid of the bad guy, Moammar Khadafy; and possibly, in the process, of this we will reinstall our Dear Leader — ‘Barack Hussein Obama! Mmm, mmm, mmm’ — back into the White House in 2012; and in the process, we will then illustrate the proper use of the US military: Engage them in humanitarian efforts and causes which do not involve regime change or getting rid of bad guys or even pulling triggers. In fact, we’ll probably get the Courageous Restraint Medal being awarded for the first time in this “kinetic military engagement.”
I wouldn’t be surprised.
RUSH: Let me try something here, ladies and gentlemen. If you have been listening to the entire program — and I know that you have. We have an audience measurement that’s called Time Spent Listening: TSL. We on the inside, highly trained broadcast specialists, refer to TSL. It’s a very important rating category. I won’t get into details. Legalities prevent me from doing so. However, I know that most of you listen not only to the whole show but then replay parts of it in the same day. So if you have, I wouldn’t blame you if you would have concluded the following based on listening to me.
If you’ve listened the whole day, this is what you might have concluded and be wanting to ask me if you could get through on the phones. You might be scratching your head about these things and you might be saying, “Let me get this straight. Libya is a country, as you have demoed, that has a tremendous amount of energy. It’s got oil and natural gas. There are lots of countries — European companies and a couple of American companies — in Libya, in the energy business. It’s ruled by a guy who has been determined to be persona non grata. He’s pond scum.
It has been determined that this guy, Moammar Khadafy, has to go because this guy is mistreating his own citizens. He’s being mean to them. The people who are fighting Khadafy are from a known terrorist organization called Al-Qaeda. The rebel group fighting Khadafy may not be entirely made up of Al-Qaeda, but it has been established that there are Al-Qaeda members and influences, and perhaps money propelling the rebels. And so are we. The United States, in our “kinetic action” and our allies, the United Nations, NATO and so forth, are supporting the rebels, many of whom are Al-Qaeda, over Khadafy.
“And if we are victorious, and victory is defined as “Khadafy has to go,” then what is apparent is it is preferable for Al-Qaeda to have control over something they’ve really never had before, and that is a nation state. The last time Al-Qaeda had anywhere near the control over a nation state was Afghanistan, and we routed them out of there starting at Tora Bora after 9/11. Taliban was there; the Taliban’s come back. We’re fighting once again for this. But if we achieve victory, which has been defined by our regime as Khadafy’s gotta go, that means that Al-Qaeda will then have a nation state over which to rule and govern, or hold.
“And it happens to be a nation state with a lot of oil, which they would then control and perhaps generate lots of money for them. Is this, Mr. Limbaugh, what I hear you saying? And all of this may eventuate because it’s been determined that for our president to be seen as a success, Khadafy has to go because that is what will define or be a part of the recipe of Obama being reelected in 2012?” If you’re asking me that question, I couldn’t blame you if that’s your thought process. Well, what’s somebody to conclude? Here’s Khadafy. Khadafy’s gotta go because he’s being mean to his people. We gotta get rid of Khadafy, and the president now has said so.
“Khadafy, you gotta go! Everybody in the world says you gotta go. We’re not gonna take you out but you gotta go.” The people that will replace Khadafy could well be members of Al-Qaeda. So in order for the Obama Doctrine, which is “2012 or Bust”… (laughing) It sounds funny but it’s true. In order for the Obama Doctrine to prevail here, Al-Qaeda has to end up having some sort of say over the future of Libya. Why, even the admiral running NATO admits in Senate testimony that they are investigating these rebels and that they are finding out there are Al-Qaeda connections. So if that’s what you’re thinking, I don’t know how to tell you you’re wrong.
Yeah. I know. It’s one of these classic WTFs. You know, who has the answer to this? What are we doing here? We’ve identified Khadafy as a rotten SOB who’s gotta go, and we are urging his departure — and people we are helping to push him out of the way happen to be members of a terrorist organization who attacked the World Trade Center on 9/11, 2001. Yeah. If you add up all the parts that we know, if you put these pieces together, that certainly is a possibility. Now, a caveat: I don’t know how extensive the rebels are controlled by Al-Qaeda. Nobody does yet, but plenty of people are suggesting that Al-Qaeda is part of the rebel group.
Now, today, I should add, ladies and gentlemen, the Khadafy forces are beating back the rebel forces — and this is news that I saw: “Rebels on the Run.” In fact, they’re stickup up there, as the Drudge lead story headline: “Rebels on the Run.” So you have to wonder here if Obama had waited, would he have made the same speech this evening? Would he have even made a speech this evening? The headline now is “Rebels on the Run,” that means Khadafy’s forcing them out. (interruption) What do you mean, it’s impossible? (interruption) What…? (interruption) Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? (interruption)
What, last night? (interruption) Obama said last night? That was last night. It was last night. He said last night, “The advances of Khadafy are stopped.” That’s what he said last night. Today is a new day. The sun came up. As it always does. (interruption) No, he didn’t say “mission accomplished.” Did not… (interruption) He didn’t… (interruption) Yeah, but he didn’t say “mission accomplished,” and they didn’t have a banner, and he did not land on an aircraft carrier. So he did not say “mission accomplished.”
He clearly indicated it might have been, but he might have waited for another nine days for the dust to settle, and it could well be that this is simply a one-day triumph of the Khadafy forces. The rebels could be on the run as a phony, fake retreat. We don’t know. We don’t know. It’s “kinetic.” It’s moving. There’s a lot of action taking place. No war is happening. It is an unfortunate thing. Obama did pretty much say that we had stopped Khadafy, and now the rebels are on the run. So somebody’s dissing our president. Somebody is certainly doing that.
RUSH: Mike in St. Louis, welcome, sir, to the EIB Network. Hi.
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Thanks. You know, you were talking earlier about a woman who was saying that Obama’s words are having a positive effect on the Middle East, I forget her name.
RUSH: That was Samantha Power.
CALLER: Well, you know, I agree that his words are having an effect on the Middle East, only I don’t think that they’re emboldening the freedom and democracy movement. I think that they’re emboldening the anti-American movement rather.
RUSH: Well, a lot of people agree with you.
RUSH: You’re right. They’re setting the stage here for Obama’s words are inspiring all of these uprisings against people like Mubarak and Khadafy. So they’re setting the stage here, it’s all BS, it’s PR. Obama’s so powerful, he’s so inspirational. Obama’s call for X, Y, and Z is forcing average Americans out of their homes to demand their freedom. That’s what she meant. They’re just trying to set the stage for 2012 reelection. Obama’s found his voice on foreign policy. Obama carries the weight. He’s a brilliant guy. Words are what made him the first time. We’re going back to words making him the second time. The world is an aggressive place governed by the aggressive use of speeches, all this sort of stuff. So that’s what she meant.
CALLER: But, you know, I think that it’s actually giving them strength. I mean I think it shows a lack of resolve and general incompetency.
RUSH: How so?
CALLER: Well, by the fact that nothing is really changing and he’s handing over responsibilities to the UN and to these others, it shows a —
RUSH: By design.
CALLER: — lack of American resolve.
RUSH: By design. Bye-bye American sovereignty. He didn’t go to Congress. He didn’t discuss this. He commits US military force without telling the American people, without going to Congress. Not that he needs their permission, but he didn’t tell ’em, didn’t bring them in on it. Just goes to the UN. There’s some serious consequences here. Now, I know what you’re saying. You think that Obama is inspiring anti-Americanism around the world because he apologizes for us and because he acknowledges our weaknesses and our past transgressions and so forth. You may have a point. A lot of people have this fear. He does not believe in American exceptionalism. He does not believe America is the solution to the world’s problems and all of that. Anyway, I gotta take a break. I’m glad you called. Thanks for holding on, I’m just stuck here.
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