RUSH: We’ll get into the interview with Martha MacCallum last night. I tell you, folks, it’s gonna be interesting. She actually did something that doesn’t happen much. She played video clips. I couldn’t see them, but she played video clips and asked me to respond to them, and so that made this somewhat different from the average television appearance. And with a compressed amount of time, I had to say a lot of things in very little time.
The amount of data, amount of information, amount of commentary in this 20-minute interview was equivalent to maybe two hours of this radio program. It was just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Some of it, you haven’t heard. Some of it, I said that I have not said on the radio. Some of it, I had, but you’ll hear it in a different way, and that’s why Snerdley and my brother think I ought to play the whole thing. I don’t know if I’m ready. Do we have the ability to do that? (interruption) I guess we do. So let me think about it. We’ll cherry-pick it and play the whole thing.
Now, we have the entirety of my appearance on Fox last night. It runs about 20 minutes so I don’t have time in the remaining — ’cause of commercial breaks and stuff, don’t have time to play the whole thing in this hour. So I tell you what I want to do, as a — what would this be called? I guess as a preview, as a trailer, as a tease, I want to play for you the last thing that happened in this interview that has — I didn’t know this until today — but apparently it lit up the internet with rage and anger.
Now, Martha is asking me at the tail end of the interview, “I understand you played golf with the president over the weekend,” and she wanted me to describe what it was like. And what kind of guy he is or what kind of things are discussed. Her question was, “I’m curious if you felt, you know, when you were with him that any of this stuff is weighing on him. I know that Elijah Cummings wanted to dig into eight years of financial records is something that some in the Trump camp are not happy about and they’re pushing back hard. Did that come up at all?”
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RUSH: No. To me, around me he’s one of the most confident people. He talks about this stuff, but he does not at any moment express any concern, certainly no fear. He’s reassuring to people. He knows who he is. He knows how people see him. He knows he’s the president. He knows people are reluctant to speak, they’re gonna be respectful. And so he anticipates things that they’re thinking or wondering about, and he will provide answers to things.
He didn’t at any time sit down and tell me what he thought of Mueller or what he thought of this or that. He can’t tell who’s gonna leave there and speak and who isn’t. But that wouldn’t go along with the recipe for these things, which is fun. But he doesn’t hide from any of this. I mean, at lunch after the round was telling Lexi about the golden showers story and how ridiculous it is and everybody was laughing at the fact that the media believed it, the fact that people actually thought that Trump would have hired some prostitutes to urinate on a bed because Obama had slept in it.
MACCALLUM: Oh, my God.
RUSH: We’re laughing ourselves silly over this as he tells the story. So it was a great time with him. It always is.
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RUSH: “Oh, my God,” she said! Does she not know the story? You know, I tell you this, and I… Like, Lexi didn’t know the story. Lexi Thompson. Trump and I are both telling her this story about the golden showers as one of the many lies and pieces of disinformation that are in the Steele dossier, and you can’t tell that story without laughing yourself silly. “Yeah, so Trump’s in Moscow, and he’s in a hotel, and he’s there to supposedly work out a new Trump hotel there.
“And then he finds out that he’s actually in the same hotel room that Barack and Michelle Obama slept in, and so he called some prostitutes and has them come over and urinate on the bed and videotapes it.” I mean, it’s ridiculous, and you heard Martha: “Oh, my God!” I wonder how many people don’t know this. You know, the Drive-By Media, they refer to “golden showers” and so forth, but a lot of people hear this for the first time, and it’s just unbelievable. And apparently…
I was told here that that has outraged some of the liberal blogs out there, that they are aghast that Trump would joke about the golden showers dossier. Well, what the hell else is there to do about it? Everything in this dossier was made up. In fact, the golden shower story, for those of you who haven’t yet heard it, on January 6th… In fact, one day before that, Obama was in the Oval Office with James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan. And they’re talking about the dossier, and they are discussing whether… With Obama, they are discussing whether or not to tell Trump about this.
Now, this is the old saw. Let’s take ’em at their word for a moment, which we ultimately will not do. But they think the Russians are interfering in Trump’s campaign. They are discussing whether or not to tell Trump about it. What was really going on, is they want to set Trump up. They want to upset Trump. This is before he’s inaugurated. So they decide that Comey will go to the Oval Office the next day and tell Trump about the Steele dossier and mention the golden showers story as an element of it.
The auspices here are, “Mr. President we’re telling you this because we really think you need the daily intelligence brief, because this is an example of the kind of stuff that’s out there that you need to know about that we are regularly dredging up, and we need to run these things down.” Well, the whole thing ended up being a setup. Because after Comey then goes in and tells Trump the golden showers story, Comey leaves the Oval Office and calls Clapper.
“Mission accomplished,” he says.
Clapper then calls CNN. He tells CNN, “The president was just informed of a story, an allegation in the Steele dossier.” That made it reportable news. CNN was then able to report on the existence of the dossier. None of it had ever been verified. None of it could be corroborated. The media couldn’t run it. It was all lies. But once it had been presented to Trump, that qualified it as reportable news. So this whole thing was a scam to get the dossier in public media, and Comey chose that element of the dossier to tell Trump about — the golden showers story — and that’s how this got started, at least in the media aspect of it.
But I find it fascinating when I describe this story, there are still a lot of people that do not know the full-fledged details of it — which, again, surprises me. It has not been hidden. I mean, the Drive-By Media has not hidden the golden showers story. It has been described in detail. I’m not the only one describing this in detail. But you heard Martha say, “Oh, my God!” And now the left wing is upset that Trump is joking about this? They have no sense of humor — and probably, there remain a whole lot of these nincompoops out there who still believe this stuff.
RUSH: Last night I did what was supposed to be an 8- or 9-minute interview with Martha MacCallum on The Story on the Fox News Channel at 7 p.m. eastern. It ran 20 minutes, and the only reason they stopped was somebody realized they needed to go to a commercial break. So the interview ended, and I have been told by Mr. Snerdley and my brother, “You gotta play the whole thing. Some people probably didn’t hear it. Sometimes you’re different on TV than you are on radio. People gotta hear it.”
I said, “Okay.” I’m bowing to pressure, internal pressure from the family and staff. Now, we can’t play the whole 20 minutes in one stretch because we don’t have a 20-minute segment here. We do not blow through our obscene profit breaks here at the EIB Network. We take them. We take ’em all. So we’re gonna have to do a start and stop. But here it is, the first however number of minutes I’m able to get in here from the beginning…
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RUSH: Thank you for having me. This is the one hour on Fox I haven’t done in a while, so it’s great to be here.
MACCALLUM: It’s great to have you back. You know, I want to start with Joe Biden. You’ve seen him run for president twice before, in 1984 and 1988. What version of Joe Biden do you think we’re gonna get this time, and how do you think he’ll do?
RUSH: Well, Martha, let me tell you. As I sit here tonight in my palatial EIB Southern Command studio —
RUSH: — I remain stunned and amazed that the Democrat Party and the media still do not understand who Donald Trump is. They don’t understand how he won. They don’t understand how he’s gonna win again in 2020. They don’t understand the people who voted for him or why. They hold all of that in contempt. Here’s the thing: Joe Biden is probably the best chance they’ve got, and he doesn’t have a chance. They’re probably… I mean, Joe Biden and Crazy Bernie and Mayor Pete?
RUSH: I mean, you’ve got three white guys, two of them are brontosauruses from Jurassic Park, and that isn’t gonna sit well with the rest of this party which has gone so far left. I don’t think… You know, Biden’s putting off this announcement. I don’t know how badly he really wants this, and you have to really want this if you’re gonna have any chance of winning it.
MACCALLUM: All right. Let’s… Speaking of the other folks who are running, let’s listen to Elizabeth Warren talking about relieving 95% of college debt. Watch this…
WARREN: We’re going to roll back student loan debt for about 95% of students who have debt — and part two is to make sure that we never get in this mess again on student loan debt, and that is to make college universally available with free tuition and fees.
MACCALLUM: So there’s a lot of free stuff in a lot of these plans. Medicare for all, Rush. Free college tuition. Your debt goes away. The president, in the latest approval numbers, is down around 39%. So is he vulnerable to all of these promises from all of these Democrats?
RUSH: No. The polls right now don’t mean anything, Martha. Does anybody remember the poll two years before 2016? They all had Hillary winning in a landslide. There’s way too much that’s gonna happen.
RUSH: Fauxcahontas is not gonna be the nominee. But, you know, these Democrats are all in the process of trying to out-leftist or out-liberal each other, and they’re in a contest of who can give away the most. But with Elizabeth Warren, forgiving college loans — forgiving that debt — and then promising free college and Medicare for all and a Green New Deal? Why is anybody gonna need to go to college?
Because nobody’s gonna need a job, because the Democrats are gonna be giving everybody a universal basic income. So why does any of this matter? None of this is real. None of this can happen. This is disinformation, and it’s really… I think it’s an indication of just how little they think of their own voters, that their own voters don’t even want to work. They don’t even want to achieve. They don’t want to pursue excellence. They just want to have their hands out and vote for whoever is gonna give them the most?
What a way to ruin a life.
Nobody would raise kids this way.
Why in the world does the Democrat Party think…? Well, I can answer that too. Sometimes the best questions I get are those I ask myself. And why do they care? Because they can’t win on policy. They can’t win on anything of substance. They have to demonize, they have to criticize, they have to impugn and destroy the credibility of all of their opponents and then promise to give everything away, promise to be Santa Claus. And it’s not gonna work against Trump. It might work against a Romney or it might work against a traditional Republican. It won’t work against Donald Trump.
MACCALLUM: Let me ask you this, then, because it seems that when you go to high schools and college campuses and even in Hollywood and other places, that Democrats have won the argument to a certain extent. There’s a feeling in this country among a lot of people that this is the way we should live. So, you know, it really breaks down the country in terms of those who think that we should be given all of these things and the people who are Trump supporters.
RUSH: Martha, if you would go to the places in this country that are not on the coasts, not in the elite, big urban areas — if you would go to the areas that Donald Trump won the election — traditional Democrat —
RUSH: — white, working class and even blue-collar neighborhoods, you’re not gonna find that kind of attitude. These are the people that Democrats used to rely on. These are the people the Democrats have lost. These are the people that vote for Trump, and they love Trump even more than they did in 2016.
The majority of this country is not yet at the place where it wants everything given to them. Of course young people want things given to them! Kids always do. People that are not yet mature, haven’t lived enough. But we’re doing a great disservice to our kids by short-changing their humanity, short-changing their opportunities to excel, to become something, to become larger than themselves. They’re nothing more than pawns that can be bought with votes.
And I don’t think that there is a majority of our population that… Up against Donald Trump, is the key element here. I don’t think there’s a majority of the population that is serious about thinking this is the way the country ought to be run. You know, the student loan forgiveness? What about people who took loans and paid them back? What are we gonna do, give them reparations? Are they gonna ask for refunds? I mean, where does all of this stop? It isn’t gonna happen in the first place. That’s another thing.
All of this is disingenuous and dishonest, and it doesn’t get anywhere near the heart of the problems that we are having in this country, which I happen to think revolve around the dissipation of our culture, the dissolution of our society and so forth. They are the culprits for this, and they need to be stopped, and this kind of stuff is not their route back. And the fact that they’re talking about Joe Biden or Crazy Bernie — who is leading everybody at this stage — I think is a testimony to how bankrupt they actually are.
MACCALLUM: All right. I want to play something for you from Hillary Clinton at the TIME 100 conference that she was speaking at —
RUSH: Oh, good!
MACCALLUM: (chuckles) — where she said…
RUSH: Hillary Clinton!
MACCALLUM: I know how much you love the TIME 100 conference —
MACCALLUM: — and how much you love Hillary Clinton, so here she is —
MACCALLUM: Ha! So here she is. Here she is talking about why she believed that President Trump should be indicted. Listen to this…
HILLARY: There’s enough there that any other person who had engaged, ummm, in those acts, umm, would certainly, uh, have been indicted. The whole matter of obstruction was very directly, uhhh, sent to the Congress. I mean, if you read that part of the report, it could not be clearer.
MACCALLUM: Well, what’s going through your mind as you’re listening to that, Rush?
RUSH: (Plugging his ears) I was trying not to listen to that.
RUSH: You know, this is the irony. Hillary Clinton is who tried to rig a presidential election, Martha. Hillary Clinton and her pals in the Obama Department of Justice and the FBI, they are the ones who colluded with the Russians. They are the ones that gave us this entirely, totally bogus Steele dossier.
For Hillary — you talk about irony — for Hillary Clinton to be talking about impeaching Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton needs to be investigated, she needs to be indicted, and she needs to be in jail, and many of her co-conspirators in this whole sordid affair, which amounted to nothing more than a silent coup to overturn the election results of 2016. Hillary Clinton demanding that Trump — you talk about sour grapes, this is a woman that’s been rejected by the American people twice, rejected by her party in 2008.
She had to rig the primaries against Crazy Bernie in 2016 to get the nomination. She is the last person who ought to be listened to about what ought to happen to Donald Trump. She hasn’t accomplished anything anywhere near what Donald Trump has accomplished. She is in no position to sit here and say what she saw in the Mueller — well, she can say it, she’s an American. But she doesn’t have any credibility on any of this as far as I am concerned.
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RUSH: Stop the tape! Stop the tape. You know, the real irony here, folks, is that Hillary is so concerned about Trump being coerced and used by a foreign adversary. Hillary Clinton paid a foreign adversary to corrupt the election. Hillary Clinton paid for the Steele dossier, which is all they ever had to go after Donald Trump, which means they never had anything. It’s a collection of lies, a collection of falsities. (Did I say “falsies”? Falsities!) It’s a collection of misrepresentations. None of it ever verified, none of it corroborated.
Robert Mueller knew when he took the job that the dossier was a pack of lies, and that is all they ever had, and it was brought to us by Hillary Clinton. She is the one who engaged a foreign adversary and allowed them to enter into a presidential campaign for the purposes of rigging it — and then, when that failed, of overturning the election results. Now, at this point let’s go to sound bites 26 and 27. CNN. John King and Jonathan Martin of the New York Times discussed this series of comments that I made last night on Fox, just moments ago on CNN.
Here’s the first of the two sound bites…
KING: Rush Limbaugh golfed last week with the president. Uh, Rush Limbaugh often makes (pause) intellectual cases. You can disagree with them. He takes conservative positions. This one, let’s listen. I’ve got a few beefs on the other side.
RUSH ARCHIVE: …Hillary Clinton needs to be investigated, she needs to be indicted, and she needs to be in jail… [Y]ou talk about sour grapes, this is a woman that’s been rejected by the American people twice, rejected by her party in 2008. She had to rig the primaries against Crazy Bernie in 2016 to get the nomination. She is the last person who ought to be listened to about what ought to happen to Donald Trump.
RUSH: And she is who engaged the foreign adversary. She paid for the Steele dossier, and Steele engaged Russian spies, and they basically wrote a novel disguised as an intelligence dossier. The Russians contributed to writing the dossier. Hillary Clinton paid them to do it. Trump had no contact with the Russians, no collusion, no conspiracy. So the next sound bite is John King from CNN talking with Jonathan Martin of the New York Times in analysis of that which I had just said…
KING: If you listen to a lot of what he says, though, he’s talking about how this is Hillary Clinton’s fault, this investigation. So I’m trying to figure out how, while Hillary Clinton was mad at James Comey for coming out and publicly saying things that may or may not have cost Hillary Clinton in the election —
KING: — but certainly didn’t help her politically, she somehow got James Comey to also launch a counterintelligence investigation of the president of the United States, and then she got all these people who work for Donald Trump — read the Mueller report, if you’re a Republican voter — to cooperate with Bob Mueller to say awful things about Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton’s that powerful.
RUSH: Now, Mr. King, that’s awful disingenuous of you, and you’re better than this. I never said a word about Hillary Clinton having anything to do with what Trump people told Mueller. Hillary Clinton benefited from James Comey. James Comey gave her a get-out-of-jail card! James Comey exonerated her on July 5, 2016, in usurping responsibilities that were not his. He was not the attorney general. He didn’t have the right, the constitutional right to go out and do that press conference and list her supposed crimes and then exonerate her on the basis that she didn’t intend to do any of it, which was absurd!
He exonerated her before she was even interviewed.
She owes the fact that she’s not in jail to James Comey!
Now, what King’s referring to is that Comey supposedly reopened the investigation into her emails on October 28th. But you know why he did that? Everybody thought Hillary was going to win and win big! The purpose of reopening the investigation into her emails (some of them had shown up on Carlos Danger’s computer), is she had to be exonerated again! Comey announces, “We’re reopening. We found hundreds of thousands of emails on Carlos Danger’s computer.” Three days later, they combed through 100,000 emails, and Comey exonerates her again. Two weeks before the election! They’re all expecting her to win! She had to be cleared.
All of this, Mr. King, from the get-go, before Trump was even linked to Russia, the objective of the FBI and the DOJ under the direction of Obama was to exonerate Hillary Clinton for the illegal server and the illegal emails and the classified documents she was trafficking in. She was the Democrat nominee, they had to clear her.
This whole thing started with the absolute necessity of exonerating Hillary Clinton. And James Comey did it. And this faux anger at Comey was only after the fact. She owes the fact that she is waddling free today to James Comey and Barack Obama. She bought and paid for the Steele dossier that all of you in the Drive-By Media tried to lie to all of us was the dead-on truth.
It’s all anybody ever had. It was never factual. Hillary Clinton’s money paid for it. DNC money paid for it. It was collusion with Russia. It was an attempt to overturn election results. It was an attempt to rig the election beforehand. When that failed, they then used it to try to get rid of Trump. But I never said that Hillary had anything to do with what Trump people said to Mueller.
RUSH: Okay, Snerdley was adamant to hear some fallout from my appearance on the Fox News Channel last night so we’ll start with fallout on the Fox News Channel starting with The American Newsroom this morning with David Asman. It is the business network.
He’s talking to Washington Republican establishment figure Brad Blakeman. I made the point last night, and have said outside of the interview last night, that if it ever does get to impeachment, that there are some Republicans in the Senate who might vote to impeach Trump because they just don’t like the guy in the same pretext I was discussing moments ago. And here’s the first bite of these two.
ASMAN: Ever since Donald Trump came down that golden escalator in 2015, nobody has predicted the outcome of that trip that he has taken over the past four years, better than Rush Limbaugh, whether it’s a fight that he had within the Republican Party or the fight against Hillary, or the attacks against him and then his pushback. I look at his understanding of Trump as absolutely top-notch. And the question is, how he fights back against this. Right now what Rush is saying is that he’s warning the GOP not to completely dismiss all of the impeachment threats. Rush Limbaugh says, watch out, because it could hurt Trump in 2020.
RUSH: And he went on to explain that from the standpoint, yeah, the Democrats in the Senate would vote to impeach Trump, but the popular wisdom is it wouldn’t happen ’cause the Republicans are not gonna vote to impeach one of their own. And I have said don’t count those chickens yet. Look at Mitt Romney. You think Mitt Romney would not vote to impeach Trump if it ever got there? You don’t think he would? (interruption) Exactly right in a heartbeat he would. And how many other McCain acolytes are there in that Senate that would do the same thing just to honor McCain, for crying out loud? So he put this to Washington establishment Republican extraordinaire Brad Blakeman. He said, “How much of that is real in Washington, Brad?”
BLAKEMAN: I don’t think it is real as Rush says it is, and I’m a creature now of the Beltway. The president’s the only thing we have, and he’s pretty good. He’s delivered on a lot of his campaign promises. Our economy has never done better. He’s taking it to our enemies in foreign policy. And he’s being a friend to our allies. Everything he said he was going to do, he’s doing. So when you talk about a results oriented politician, he’s done it. We have no primary challenger, a serious one that could possibly beat the president to get the nomination. He deserves our support. I agree with Rush. We better get behind him with a full-throated endorsement of our president now.
RUSH: Amen. Amen. And the fact that the Republicans are not even celebrating the positive outcome of the so-called Mueller investigation, I think that is so telling. You know, I don’t know. When the slightest, most insignificant thing, good happens to a Democrat, we are flooded with email requests for money, fundraising letters.
“They came close to getting our president this time, but they came one blue stained dress short. Don’t let it happen again. Send us your hard-earned money now and save Bill Clinton.” Where is all this stuff celebrating Trump? There just isn’t much of it. I mean, not even from the RNC, and I’ve been under the impression the RNC is pretty supportive of Trump. Blakeman: “I am a creature of the Beltway now.” (laughing) “I’m a creature of the Beltway.”
And last night, Fox News Channel, Fox News @ Night, Shannon Bream was talking to Democrat strategist Robert Patillo about Fauxcahontas Warren’s plan to forgive student loan debt. And she played my reaction to it. And then asked Robert Patillo, Democrat strategerist, should others pay for all of this?
PATILLO: For once I agree with Rush Limbaugh on this because fundamentally what Senator Warren is suggesting is that the taxpayer support people like Lori Loughlin and Aunt Becky’s children who take out student loans, go to college, get degrees, do not pay any money and therefore the rest of us have to pay them off. This is a giveaway to Millennials who’ve had their parents and family and society pay for their bad decisions for their entire life. Let’s reward people who made the hard choices, became entrepreneurs, paid back their student loans, started families, did the right thing instead of rewarding people for doing the wrong thing.
BREAM: All right Robert, I’m putting this down, Robert agrees with Rush Limbaugh. What’s the date today? (laughing) April 23rd, I’m going to write that down.
PATILLO: Yeah, let’s put that down. I’ll call Rush.
RUSH: Yeah. Let’s put the that aside. Okay. So there’s that fallout. And then there’s this. Let’s see. Fox News Channel’s Hannity last night. Hannity had Gregg Jarrett, the legal analyst at Fox News on. He said, “Rush said, by every standard the evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible that Hillary met all the criteria and standards of obstruction of justice. Donald Trump wishing he wants to fire Mueller or Rosenstein doesn’t rise to that level.”
JARRETT: If she were smart — and she is not, to be sure — she’d put a sock in it. Because criticizing the attorney general who holds potentially your fate in his hands is really unwise. It’s just plain stupid.
HANNITY: Well, you know, listen —
JARRETT: I mean, William Barr might decide, “You know what? I’m just going to investigate the FBI. Now I’m gonna investigate Hillary Clinton for obstruction of justice, reopen the email scandal — 110 different felonies — and I’m going to look into her role in selling uranium assets to Russia at the same time $45 million is flowing into her foundation.” She ought to keep her mouth shut or she’ll get herself in deeper trouble than she already should be in.
RUSH: I ask myself now and then, “What must go through these people’s minds now?” In the early days of this, they had to be doing dance in private. “Look what we’ve done! We’ve got that Steele dossier! We’ve got that dossier!” They know it’s lies, they know they paid for it, and it’s working. They’re getting FISA warrants. They’re convincing the media that Trump colluded with Russia when it was Hillary who did.
So on one hand, she’s bitter and angry at having lost. But can you imagine the cartwheels (if she’s capable of ’em) that she would be doing over how they pulled this off? And then as these two years went by, well, five different news reports every day about how Trump colluded? They just had to be sitting there in Fat City thinking they were gonna pull this off! Now it has, once again, blown up in their faces — and now what is she thinking? Now she hears Barr talk about how, “Yeah, I think there’s no question the Trump campaign was spied on.”
See, she knows that all of this was bogus, and she knows she’s the starting point. She knows that she was exonerated for crimes others have gone to jail for: Trafficking in classified documents and data, illegal email servers, all this stuff. Deleting 30,000 emails illegally? Not letting people see them first, claiming, “Ah, they’re just my daughter’s wedding registry and yoga class arrangements.” It has now been learned about how she paid for the Steele dossier, and it was opposition research, and how it was fraudulently used to get FISA warrants.
Trump has been cleared and Barr talking about looking into spying. Now what are they thinking? You know what my guess is? My guess is they’re still sitting there saying, “Look, nothing’s ever gonna happen to me. Nothing’s gonna happen to us. We are the Washington establishment, and nothing’s gonna happen. We are gonna get away with this like we always do because that’s what being a part of the establishment means. It’s being able to get away with things other people can’t and don’t.”
I don’t think she’s… My guess is, she wouldn’t be worried a scintilla about this, which is… If she’s not, it’s quite telling, because any reasonable person would be extremely concerned. ‘Cause this is legal culpability here that is punishable with prison time. Some of this is really, really bad stuff. And if anybody in that establishment decides to actually get to the bottom of it, there are people who did it. And if they’re ever held accountable, it’s not gonna be a pretty sight.