RUSH: It's Cleveland, this is Hope, and it's great to have you. Hi. Welcome to the EIB Network.
CALLER: Hi. Thanks. Please don't buy the argument that there's nothing to see here with the NSA story. I think there's everything to see here. The NSA never had a mandate to operate within the boarders of the United States.
RUSH: Wait, wait, whoa, don't bar the argument?
CALLER: Well, when people say there's nothing to see here. There's everything to see here.
RUSH: Oh. Oh.
CALLER: They never had the mandate to operate within our borders. And if that's what they're doing now, I mean, the nature of the business, it signals intelligence. That means surveillance, search and seizure of information without probable cause. That's why they're not supposed to turn it on Americans.
RUSH: But what if the courts say they can?
CALLER: Then the lawyers --
RUSH: That's our Constitution. Everything's legal. Obama was elected, members of Congress were elected, the Article 2 judges were appointed and confirmed, and whatever they do, what do we do? I mean, it's all --
CALLER: I hear you, and they've lawyered this thing, but the law still has to stand up to the Constitution, and what they're doing is not right.
RUSH: Because they're spying domestically on people?
CALLER: Yes. Exactly.
RUSH: Well, wait a second. Who says the NSA can't -- playing devil's advocate. Who says the NSA can't spy domestically? They can of course --
CALLER: It was never allowed. It was never allowed.
RUSH: Are you sure you're not confusing them with the CIA?
CALLER: No. I'm not confusing it. Everything that was done at it NSA was supposed to be done outside our borders because of the nature of the business.
RUSH: Well, if that's the case, then the Constitution's been shredded for decades, because the NSA has been collecting data domestically for as long as you and I have been alive.
CALLER: I'm not sure I believe that. I think whatever happened, happened after 9/11, and people changed their minds.
RUSH: Well, if the NSA -- and you're probably right -- if the NSA is not supposed to monitor US citizens, then why in the world are all of the learned constitutionalists saying, "Nothing to see here, everything's cool"?
CALLER: Because they're mired in legal arguments without testing it by constitutional -- the rights that we have.
RUSH: Okay. Well, look, I'm sorry, I've got my clock expiring, I've gotta take another break. Hope, I'm glad you called. Thanks very much.
RUSH: Here's Joey in Hollywood. Joey, I'm glad you called, sir. Great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Great to speak with you, Rush. I love you, been listening to you for years, thanks to my father, who turned me on to you. And, yes, I work in Hollywood. It's a very tight-knit, you know, group out here, but there are, you know, a few conservatives in the mix, but I just think that what's going on now are textbook tactics by the liberals to discredit the PRISM story 'cause basically the bottom line is, did Obama roll back the spy program? Answer: no. Can the government get your phone records from the past and your e-mails? Yes. Did Obama do anything to stop that? No. Does he have the capability to do that? Yes. So, having said that, let's turn the tables and I'm gonna make it so that all the low- income and low-info voters will understand, and that is, once the shoe is on the other foot, 'cause conservatives, after this, will be in power, if this doesn't stop, all that Obama is doing is helping conservatives, because he is going to fine-tune --
RUSH: No, no.
CALLER: -- and find ways for it to be more sneaky about how they steal their information.
RUSH: No, no. That's not what's gonna happen. It's fun to pretend that that's what would happen. That's not what's gonna happen. Let's say everything else in your call is accurate: They're doing all the data mining, they're taking all the data, they're collecting it, and they're putting it in ways that can be used, like Maxine Waters said, Obama is developing the greatest database ever, the government has access to it.
CALLER: Right. Right.
RUSH: At some point a Republican administration is elected and is, therefore, theoretically in possession of it.
RUSH: Day one, the Democrats begin an assault on the Republicans for violating your privacy. Day one they start accusing the Republicans of taking this information, spying on you and they make the Republicans give it up. The Republicans will buckle to that kind of pressure. They'll just ratchet it up. If they could tell lies about Mitt Romney not caring whether some guy's wife died of cancer, it won't take them long to start trashing the Republican president and whoever else that has access to the data and start wild allegations about what they're doing with it, they just --
CALLER: Right. I agree. I agree. If we were in power, what's going on now is unprecedented, but how the liberals work, like I said, I'm in Hollywood. There are focus group meetings that are planned and strategized on how to push the agenda on all platforms of media: radio, movies, and TV. It's an onslaught against Christianity. It's an onslaught against everything that conservatives stand for. And it is down to a T. Nothing on TV and nothing in movies is -- everything is scripted. Everything has a purpose. I'll tell you a secret. Glee, when that first came out, the whole idea of Glee was to introduce homosexuality and promiscuity. Sex and the City, that is about -- the writer and producer, that's about his gay life, and his gay life with his friends. All the gay scenarios, he tried to sell it, and they're like, "The public's not ever gonna go for it. They're not gonna do it." And they're like, "Okay, make it girls with guys, that's fine. Okay, good." But everything is an onslaught against religion. It's not about, you know, everything else, but with this specific context, I think that all of the news outlets -- you have reporters that sit down and conspire on how they can fool the public. If they knew that somehow that their conversations can then be recorded and found out, if that's possible, they would be shaking in their boots, if the shoe is on the other foot. And so right now I'm telling you --
RUSH: Let me tell you something. I know Hollywood has an agenda, and I know the elements of it, and I know the details of what you're talking about, how they try to do it using the pop culture. No question about it. It's undeniable. It's undeniable they use the pop culture to stigmatize opponents and push their own agenda. But the idea that these meetings that they're having were recorded perhaps and might be used by opponents who might someday be in power, I'll tell you what's gonna happen is, right now, you are being hunted down. You are being searched. They are trying to find out everything about you so that they can perhaps intimidate and threaten you so that you never, ever make a phone call like this again. He-he-he-he-he.
Look, it's an interesting thing to toy with. Okay, what happens, all of this has been assembled, all this data has been assembled, and it's there. The bottom line is, all of this is gonna travel with the Democrats. Obama's not gonna leave this stuff behind. This is not the property of the United States government. This is not the property of the NSA. It's Organizing for America or whatever agency, but it's all gonna travel with Obama. It's all gonna stay within the Democrat Party. This stuff is never gonna be accessible to us, and we are not the kind of people that would go around and collect it on them for fear that we would be discovered. (laughing)
Anyway look, Joey, I know exactly what you're talking about, and you're right on the money. But the idea that we might someday be in possession of this data and they are quaking in their boots over this is not gonna stop them from doing it.